Jace Peterson

If you want to see what he can do in CF then just let him work on it before games. We don't need another CF right now. He's got all offseason to work on it, if that's what the Braves choose to do.

Right now Jace needs major league at bats and major league experience in general.
 
Hawk said:
Not really, especially if it comes at the cost of player development. Anyways, there's a good chance those service time rules are changed during the next CBA negotiations (2016).
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exactly. Besides, what's the benefit of delaying a guys service time a full year until next may if he's ready now. The present value of that 6th year is really really small if that's what we are referring to.
 
Heywood said:
Why in the world would you bring up Peraza if you're already planning on throwing away this year and plan to flip guys like Grilli at the deadline anyways?

We're not even a month into the season and it's "time" to send him down?!? He hasn't even had a months worth of playing time when you factor in the fact he's been on the short end of the Callaspo platoon.

I sense that the front office is going to get rid of Fredi, and Fredi knows this and is trying to manage to win (however you disagree with his managing I don't care) now to try and keep his job instead of playing the young kids to give them valuable experience and growing pains now. Otherwise if this were the 1990 mindset you just play the kids and let them figure it out on the field not in the minors.
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I don't disagree with this entirely, but do think Fredi's trying to win games strictly because he HASN'T been told just to play the kids yet. As Hawk mentioned, the service time requirements are likely headed for significant change during the negotiation of the next CBA but Hart & Company have to proceed as if they won't for the time being because those changes likely won't be implemented before 2017. Making sure you control Peraza, Wisler, Folty, and Banuelos for that extra year is likely front and center in every personnel meeting and discussion. Once they've covered the current constraints for that I fully expect to see several of them during the second half so they can get that trial under fire like the early 90's kids did.

Fredi's not playing the veterans against Hart's instructions in an effort to "save" his job, otherwise he wouldn't still have his job.
 
I know nothing of Jace Peterson, what I do knwo is Kelly Johnson has arguably been our best non-fluky hitter. If this continues, Jace can handle 2B but KJ should be used heavily in LF and at 3B. For what KJ's power has been a fluke, his BABIP is the opposite fluke. Got to love his K rate and BB rate and LD rates. All are first class. :JSIDK:
 
zitothebrave said:
I know nothing of Jace Peterson, what I do knwo is Kelly Johnson has arguably been our best non-fluky hitter. If this continues, Jace can handle 2B but KJ should be used heavily in LF and at 3B. For what KJ's power has been a fluke, his BABIP is the opposite fluke. Got to love his K rate and BB rate and LD rates. All are first class. :JSIDK:
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If we'd have seen THIS KJ a few years ago, he'd never have been dealt IMO.
 
chop2chip said:
exactly. Besides, what's the benefit of delaying a guys service time a full year until next may if he's ready now. The present value of that 6th year is really really small if that's what we are referring to.
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but his present value means little to a team that isn't intent on competing (and won't even if they were). He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors so far. He's not cruising at the plate right now. If he does so for an extended period of time, the argument becomes stronger. Right now, there's no reason to bring him up, or assume we're going to want to do so later in the year.
 
The benefits of delaying service time start accreting well before year six. For example, the first year of arbitration gets pushed back. Plus we should discount this year and next since we are not competing.
yeezus said:
but his present value means little to a team that isn't intent on competing (and won't even if they were). He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors so far. He's not cruising at the plate right now. If he does so for an extended period of time, the argument becomes stronger. Right now, there's no reason to bring him up, or assume we're going to want to do so later in the year.
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nsacpi said:
The benefits of delaying service time start accreting well before year six. For example, the first year of arbitration gets pushed back. Plus we should discount this year and next since we are not competing.
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very true; it isn't just about FA.
 
Jace is a 2B. He doesn't hit enough power to be valuable in OF or 3b. if Peraza is the end game, then let Jace bring up his value and trade him again.

Remember that Kelly and Prado were not 2B when they came up. Prado the super sub and Kelly played LF. Kelly did not become full time 2B until 2007.
 
yeezus said:
but his present value means little to a team that isn't intent on competing (and won't even if they were). He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors so far. He's not cruising at the plate right now. If he does so for an extended period of time, the argument becomes stronger. Right now, there's no reason to bring him up, or assume we're going to want to do so later in the year.
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Using that logic, then why not delay his service time until 2017?

When players are ready, play them. It's different if it is the difference between a couple weeks to gain an additional year of control and delaying him a whole year just to push his service time into the competing window. There are other risks you run into when you do things like that.
 
yeezus said:
Right, but you can't just throw that out. It's extremely important.
And he's still just 21 without a full season in the high-minors. Keeping him down all year could easily be justified.
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And if you'll go back to my original post, I did say that I can see that happening IF Peraza has another good 2-3 weeks. That has to happen first and foremost - just like with Wisler and Folty. They won't start burning service time for ANY of them if their performances are still uneven when they clear the Super Two dates IMO - there's no reason to "get their feet wet" until they've shown that they're ready for the next challenge.
 
chop2chip said:
Using that logic, then why not delay his service time until 2017?

When players are ready, play them. It's different if it is the difference between a couple weeks to gain an additional year of control and delaying him a whole year just to push his service time into the competing window. There are other risks you run into when you do things like that.
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Peraza isn't ready. He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors. He needs more seasoning, potentially a lot, or a whole season's worth. Wanting him to have a full season in the upper minors developing is hardly JUST about money. Hell, guys can mash at AAA and still not be ready. He's what, 21? We'll be more competitive next year, and he may make a real difference. Right now, he isn't ready, I'm not going to assume he will unless he's absolutely raking for a few months.
 
yeezus said:
but his present value means little to a team that isn't intent on competing (and won't even if they were). He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors so far. He's not cruising at the plate right now. If he does so for an extended period of time, the argument becomes stronger. Right now, there's no reason to bring him up, or assume we're going to want to do so later in the year.
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The organization has a pretty long history of pushing players they're high on...

Furcal - 335 Sally League ABs, 10 AA ABs
Chipper - Got a full season in AAA, but only because Pendleton was here - only 266 AA ABs
Andruw - 157 AA ABs, 45 AAA ABs
Heyward - 162 AA ABs, 11 AAA ABs

The point is that they aren't going to let someone like Peraza stagnate because someone ahead of him is "acceptable" - if he reels of a solid month or so worth of the way he's played thus far, we're likely going to see him given the job to see if he's going to be the long-term answer.
 
clvclv said:
The organization has a pretty long history of pushing players they're high on...

Furcal - 335 Sally League ABs, 10 AA ABs
Chipper - Got a full season in AAA, but only because Pendleton was here - only 266 AA ABs
Andruw - 157 AA ABs, 45 AAA ABs
Heyward - 162 AA ABs, 11 AAA ABs

The point is that they aren't going to let someone like Peraza stagnate because someone ahead of him is "acceptable" - if he reels of a solid month or so worth of the way he's played thus far, we're likely going to see him given the job to see if he's going to be the long-term answer.
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Can't use Chipper in that argument and then say he got 1.5 seasons in the upper minors...regardless of reason.

Peraza has just not shown he's ready. I think it's that simple. We saw him in ST. Let him fully prove it. There isn't a reason to potentially rush it even the smallest amount.
 
And I still think Jace plays a big part, because 1-3 months of a rookie's baseball doesn't tell you everything about him. If they like Jace, they should give him the chance to grow. Why relegate him to being a backup just to potentially rush a better prospect right now?
 
yeezus said:
Peraza isn't ready. He's had 275 PAs in the upper minors. He needs more seasoning, potentially a lot, or a whole season's worth. Wanting him to have a full season in the upper minors developing is hardly JUST about money. Hell, guys can mash at AAA and still not be ready. He's what, 21? We'll be more competitive next year, and he may make a real difference. Right now, he isn't ready, I'm not going to assume he will unless he's absolutely raking for a few months.
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It's obviously dependent on how he's performing in AAA. I'm basing my assumption on him being ready come midseason which it looks like he will be. I just don't personally advocate in keeping players in the minor leagues that long when they have shown they are capable of performing in the big leagues.

Money and control are definitely important,but so is cultivating a good relationship with your players that demonstrates a meritocracy and not maximizing the amount of time you can screw that player.

But hey, maybe Peraza is hitting .260 come July and this argument is moot. But if he's hitting over .300 with a lot of steals and doubles, then I personally think he deserves the promotion.
 
I’m in favor of waiting, but I understand the frustration. I’m counting the days till Smith and Peraza are our 1 and 2 guys. Wonder if Smith’ll be moved up to AAA? Unlikely, I guess.
 
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