Tapate50
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good lord man
Jackie Bradley Jr. Anyone?
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zbhargrove
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No kidding... I'm all about taking a flier on Bradley... but for Minor?? A pitcher one year removed from a top 30 SP season who was bogged down with injuries last year? That would not be smart at all. If we get Bradley, it better be for some minor prospects.
NinersSBChamps
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Sure why not. At this point I don't care what players we add or who leaves this team. Heck I would offer that me guy in CF an extension.
If the Braves were to trade Minor for JBJ, don't worry, thethe would find a way to defend it.
I've been someone who has always defended Minor and said trading him now doesn't make sense. I just didn't realize how bad Bradley was last year. Braves turned me off from baseball so I kind of tuned the whole sport out last year.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Part of me thinks Bradley, Jr., is a product of the Red Sox fans' hype machine.
He's young, but his big league numbers thus far in his career are beyond horrid. He may be a starter in the right situation, but the same can be said of a guy like Elmer Reyes. To me, Bradley looks like another whiff machine with poor on-base skills when he has a bat in his hands. I don't worship at the High Tabernacle of OBP, but I've seen enough of the Bradley "type" to realize we may not want to make a bad situation worse.
He's young, but his big league numbers thus far in his career are beyond horrid. He may be a starter in the right situation, but the same can be said of a guy like Elmer Reyes. To me, Bradley looks like another whiff machine with poor on-base skills when he has a bat in his hands. I don't worship at the High Tabernacle of OBP, but I've seen enough of the Bradley "type" to realize we may not want to make a bad situation worse.
I would take a flier on Bradley; of course not for Minor. Bradly still doesn't have a full years worth of major league at bats and at the very least he gives you above average defense in center field. This team is going nowhere in the next 2 years at the least, so plug him in and hope he realizes some of his potential....which was considered solid on base skills, decent pop, and good defense. How could it hurt?
zbhargrove
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He's had major OBP and K problems in the majors, but it doesn't jive with his minor league numbers... he's a career minor leaguer with an OBP of .394 up against a BA of .290... in 885 minor league at-bats he had only 190 strikeouts against 135 walks. He still has under 500 MLB at-bats and is still only entering his age 25 season. I feel that, under a different situation, he still has the chance to shine. His minor league numbers were very good and I think he was trying too hard in Boston. Maybe in a place with less pressure, he could calm down a bit and get back to focusing on his strengths. He just didn't have the profile of being a K machine in the minors.
Still not worth anything close to Minor... and DOB said these talks happened early in the Winter before we made all our moves... so again, Gammons is reporting something that isn't even relevant anymore which is par for the course for him lately:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2015/2/18/8060029/atlanta-braves-news-jackie-bradley
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
It may be the Braves showed interested back when they were talking trade about Varvaro.
It is rare for a guy with his high minors numbers (solid BA, good OBP, strong K/BB ratio) to completely lose it at the MLB level. He would be an excellent buy low candidate. The Braves can afford to give him a couple years to figure it out during the rebuild, while the BoSox can't.
And he still makes plenty of sense as part of a LF platoon with Gomes. I would much prefer taking a chance on JBJ turning into a legit top of the order bat over running out some random AAAA player in LF just because he swings the bat LHed.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Many don't, but the big leagues are an entirely different animal. I could give Bradley, Jr., some benefit of the doubt because he will make adjustments. It's whether or not the adjustments work. The book isn't closed on the guy, but color me skeptical.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I agree, particularly with the last bit. That is predicated on actually buying low, though.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I will also have private showings for a modest sum.
I don't think they'd give up Margot in a deal for Minor - he'd probably be one of the guys they've set aside if they eventually go after Hamels (likely the same for Cecchini) - but if they were willing to package Bradley with Michael Chavis and maybe Henry Ramos it could be a pretty reasonable gamble IMO.
zbhargrove
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I disagree... Strikeout guys are usually very transparent in the minors. They may have good overall numbers but have big K numbers. Their success in everything else hides that... Is the problem with many trying to make the transition. Bradley never ever really had that concern in the minors. BJ had huge numbers in the minors but it was obvious he'd be a big K machine based on his minor league habits unless he made changes. Frenchy and Marte were other classic examples. Bradley's sudden change to a K machine in the majors doesn't really fit the mold.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Neither struck out that much in the minors. In Francoeur's case, that's because his plate (and off the plate) coverage was wide enough that he could put the ball in play and he was allergic to taking walks. Marte's K rate was a bit higher than Francoeur's coming up, but I don't think one can make many judgments about performance in the low minors. Bradley, Jr., walked a ton in the minors, but that can be misleading as well because big league pitchers will sooner or later make you hit the ball. I'm not saying Bradley is a bust in the making, but given his performance last year, it's obvious he is going to have to make some adjustments.