I’m not anti-punishment for their actions, but I think we need to be more careful when we describe their actions. The rioters and organizers frankly could not disenfranchise others because they weren’t in charge of the process. I also think what they did is far too stupid to be considered a coup attempt and many of these defendants did not personally injure anybody. I think what happened is wrong and they should be held accountable. But 22 years is an insane punishment for rioting.
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I’m not anti-punishment for their actions, but I think we need to be more careful when we describe their actions. The rioters and organizers frankly could not disenfranchise others because they weren’t in charge of the process. I also think what they did is far too stupid to be considered a coup attempt and many of these defendants did not personally injure anybody. I think what happened is wrong and they should be held accountable. But 22 years is an insane punishment for rioting.
nsacpi
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only one person got 22 years...imo the sentence should be higher for that particular individual
it should also be higher for the two individuals who got the next highest sentence, which was 18 years
back in the day we had better ways of dealing with people like that
those individuals harbored fantasies which they tried to actuate...had they succeeded the result would have been a disaster for the country...i'm very grateful they didn't succeed...i'm not inclined to cut them any slack for the fact they were too incompetent to actuate their lunatic fantasies
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Navarro will probably get something like 3 months in jail. Imo it should be much longer. He too bears significant responsibility for his role in a scheme that would have forever altered our system of government had it succeeded. And his sentence should reflect that. All of the sentences related to the events surrounding the 2020 elections should reflect that. Even the most clueless of the "tourists" who wandered into the Capitol on January 6 knew at some level what it is they were trying to accomplish. And we should call a spade a spade. They were trying to accomplish the overthrow of a legitimate election result. Once we state it plainly, the absurdity of leniency in sentencing becomes clear.
Navarro will probably get something like 3 months in jail. Imo it should be much longer. He too bears significant responsibility for his role in a scheme that would have forever altered our system of government had it succeeded. And his sentence should reflect that. All of the sentences related to the events surrounding the 2020 elections should reflect that. Even the most clueless of the "tourists" who wandered into the Capitol on January 6 knew at some level what it is they were trying to accomplish. And we should call a spade a spade. They were trying to accomplish the overthrow of a legitimate election result. Once we state it plainly, the absurdity of leniency in sentencing becomes clear.
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nsacpi
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True or False: The leadership of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers conspired to stop, delay, or hinder the Electoral College certification and keep their champion in office.
I think true.
From that it follows they should spend a long time in prison.
If they had succeeded it would have plunged the country into a crisis.
They don't get any slack for being too incompetent to realize their objectives.
I think true.
From that it follows they should spend a long time in prison.
If they had succeeded it would have plunged the country into a crisis.
They don't get any slack for being too incompetent to realize their objectives.
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cajunrevenge
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Runnin
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I have more sympathy for QAnon Shaman than I do for any Proud boy. The sentences being handed down have generally been on the low side, except for the real insurrection leaders. The proud boys went to the capital prepared for more violence than actually happened. Thankfully, the senators were able to escape to safety.
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chris evans
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Why are these Jan 6'ers posting pictures of their wives
and children for symathy before sentencing?
Why should WE think about your family when you clearly weren't
when you flew your ass down there to the capital
and smeared **** on the walls.
Get gone with that mess
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Why are these Jan 6'ers posting pictures of their wives
and children for symathy before sentencing?
Why should WE think about your family when you clearly weren't
when you flew your ass down there to the capital
and smeared **** on the walls.
Get gone with that mess
nsacpi
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Seated at a round table on a hot Texas afternoon, Peyton Reffitt and her family were trying to figure out how to forgive one another for all that had happened since Jan. 6, 2021.
The family had yet to fully resolve the perceived public betrayals and failed attempts at reconciliation in the more than two years since the attack on the U.S. Capitol, and Peyton, 18 years old at this latest gathering, wasn’t sure whether she was ready to confront her brother, Jackson, for everything that had happened since he secretly turned their father in to the FBI.
“Actions are actions. Dad went to the Capitol with a gun,” said Jackson, then 20 years old. “He walked up the Capitol steps with a gun on his hip.”
To understand how some families linked to the Capitol riot were trying to move on, Dan Rosenzweig-Ziff spoke to a number of individuals who turned in family members or whose relatives or friends did so. One was Jackson Reffitt, who connected Rosenzweig-Ziff to his family.
Initial conversations were over Zoom and, in Nicole’s case, at the federal courthouse in D.C. and at the D.C. jail. The family spoke openly about the pain and isolation they experienced, helping Rosenzweig-Ziff re-create several significant moments since the Capitol riot. He also used hundreds of pages of court testimony and Reffitt family text messages to help readers understand in detail what happened.
The Reffitts agreed to let Rosenzweig-Ziff and Post Reports producer Eliza Dennis be present for the family conversation aimed at reconciliation. Rosenzweig-Ziff and Dennis sometimes asked clarifying questions that day, but the vast majority of the conversation was among the Reffitts.
In addition to interviewing several experts on extremism and reconciliation to contextualize the family’s efforts, Rosenzweig-Ziff talked over the phone with Guy Reffitt multiple times to review with him the allegations against him and to hear his perspective.
On an upcoming episode of “Post Reports,” we will take you inside the Reffitt family’s attempt to reconcile. Listen in as they try to work through the challenges unique to this family’s story, which is complicated but recognizable to so many whose beliefs are different from those of their loved ones. Subscribe or follow Post Reports.
Peyton put down the journal filled with paragraphs of what she hoped to say today. She felt her breathing quicken. On Jan. 16, 2021, the FBI raided their house and arrested her father, Guy Reffitt, on charges of obstruction of justice and unlawful trespassing related to Jan. 6. Her brother was interviewed on CNN the next week, and it was then she found out that he had tipped off the authorities.
“Me, Sarah and Mom just felt a lack of empathy on our part from you afterwards,” Peyton said to Jackson as their mother and sister nodded.
“It’s not that I’m proud of it, or I’m so happy about it,” Jackson said.
After rioters stormed the Capitol, relatives and friends who disagreed with their actions faced a difficult choice: Should they turn their loved ones over to authorities? Could they continue to have relationships with people accused of trying to interfere with the peaceful transition of power? Divisions that had been growing since the election of Donald Trump to the presidency were torn even wider in living rooms and family group chats across the country.
Ever since, families have been having or avoiding conversations like the Reffitts were having on that May afternoon. What had once been political disagreements had become questions about loyalty, truth and patriotism.
https://wapo.st/45W5rFO
The family had yet to fully resolve the perceived public betrayals and failed attempts at reconciliation in the more than two years since the attack on the U.S. Capitol, and Peyton, 18 years old at this latest gathering, wasn’t sure whether she was ready to confront her brother, Jackson, for everything that had happened since he secretly turned their father in to the FBI.
“Actions are actions. Dad went to the Capitol with a gun,” said Jackson, then 20 years old. “He walked up the Capitol steps with a gun on his hip.”
To understand how some families linked to the Capitol riot were trying to move on, Dan Rosenzweig-Ziff spoke to a number of individuals who turned in family members or whose relatives or friends did so. One was Jackson Reffitt, who connected Rosenzweig-Ziff to his family.
Initial conversations were over Zoom and, in Nicole’s case, at the federal courthouse in D.C. and at the D.C. jail. The family spoke openly about the pain and isolation they experienced, helping Rosenzweig-Ziff re-create several significant moments since the Capitol riot. He also used hundreds of pages of court testimony and Reffitt family text messages to help readers understand in detail what happened.
The Reffitts agreed to let Rosenzweig-Ziff and Post Reports producer Eliza Dennis be present for the family conversation aimed at reconciliation. Rosenzweig-Ziff and Dennis sometimes asked clarifying questions that day, but the vast majority of the conversation was among the Reffitts.
In addition to interviewing several experts on extremism and reconciliation to contextualize the family’s efforts, Rosenzweig-Ziff talked over the phone with Guy Reffitt multiple times to review with him the allegations against him and to hear his perspective.
On an upcoming episode of “Post Reports,” we will take you inside the Reffitt family’s attempt to reconcile. Listen in as they try to work through the challenges unique to this family’s story, which is complicated but recognizable to so many whose beliefs are different from those of their loved ones. Subscribe or follow Post Reports.
Peyton put down the journal filled with paragraphs of what she hoped to say today. She felt her breathing quicken. On Jan. 16, 2021, the FBI raided their house and arrested her father, Guy Reffitt, on charges of obstruction of justice and unlawful trespassing related to Jan. 6. Her brother was interviewed on CNN the next week, and it was then she found out that he had tipped off the authorities.
“Me, Sarah and Mom just felt a lack of empathy on our part from you afterwards,” Peyton said to Jackson as their mother and sister nodded.
“It’s not that I’m proud of it, or I’m so happy about it,” Jackson said.
After rioters stormed the Capitol, relatives and friends who disagreed with their actions faced a difficult choice: Should they turn their loved ones over to authorities? Could they continue to have relationships with people accused of trying to interfere with the peaceful transition of power? Divisions that had been growing since the election of Donald Trump to the presidency were torn even wider in living rooms and family group chats across the country.
Ever since, families have been having or avoiding conversations like the Reffitts were having on that May afternoon. What had once been political disagreements had become questions about loyalty, truth and patriotism.
https://wapo.st/45W5rFO
I implore all of you to watch this 5 minute clip. I know it won't do any good because most of you have been indoctrinated into a reality that didn't happen. The riot was caused by the firing of flash grenades and rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd with no warnings. Look at the rubber bullet injuries there.
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nsacpi
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Days after the attack on the Capitol, Guy had returned home and warned Peyton and Jackson: “If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors,” according to a supporting affidavit for his arrest warrant. “Traitors get shot.” Guy said in an interview that he would neither confirm nor deny saying this.
I'm in hearty agreement with the bolded part. 22 years for Tarrio and 18 for Rhodes strike me as too little considering what they tried to do to the country.
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nsacpi
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For the sentencing, Peyton wrote a letter to the judge asking for leniency and saying the former president had led her father astray. When Trump spoke, she wrote, her father “fell to his knees.”
Yes, I do think accountability should come for the man who put the entire scheme to overturn an election in all its multi-pronged glory into motion. And a long sentence (effectively locking him up for the rest of his life) would be entirely merited.
Yes, I do think accountability should come for the man who put the entire scheme to overturn an election in all its multi-pronged glory into motion. And a long sentence (effectively locking him up for the rest of his life) would be entirely merited.
nsacpi
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Guy received 87 months in prison, the most of any Jan. 6 defendant up to that point. His case was “very different from all others prosecuted to date,” the judge said, since he took on a “self-appointed leadership role” and had a firearm at the Capitol.
Outside the courthouse, Nicole told reporters that she and her husband were patriots. Sarah said it was unfair that Trump still could run for president while their father was going to prison.
Peyton hadn’t planned to speak to the news media, but then she impulsively began.
“Trump deserves life in prison if my father is in prison for this long,” she said of the former president, who has since been indicted four times, including on charges related to Jan. 6. As she spoke, she thought she might black out.
Outside the courthouse, Nicole told reporters that she and her husband were patriots. Sarah said it was unfair that Trump still could run for president while their father was going to prison.
Peyton hadn’t planned to speak to the news media, but then she impulsively began.
“Trump deserves life in prison if my father is in prison for this long,” she said of the former president, who has since been indicted four times, including on charges related to Jan. 6. As she spoke, she thought she might black out.
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