Jason Grilli Traded to Blue Jays

My gut tells me that the short-season projects the Braves got for both Chacin and Grilli are Kiley McDaniel darlings.
 
Julio3000 said:
Which is why I thought it was a pretty self-evident joke. Apparently not.
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It was (for most of us, anyway) - just not sure some folks around here understand the difference in news and humor unless you explain it like you were talking to a 3 year-old.
 
clvclv said:
It was (for most of us, anyway) - just not sure some folks around here understand the difference in news and humor unless you explain it like you were talking to a 3 year-old.
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clvclv said:
It was (for most of us, anyway) - just not sure some folks around here understand the difference in news and humor unless you explain it like you were talking to a 3 year-old.
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Maybe a different font or something.

Serious font

Playful font

Sarcastic font

Edit: ****, the middle one was supposed to be wingdings.
 
If we got Puig, I'd like to invite Fredi back for a week or two...just to see if Puig would bring out some emotion in him.

Do Canadians eat grilled cheese?
 
jpx7 said:
Assuming it's true, how do you feel about that fact?
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Not to be sarcastic, I'll tell you after we have them a while. Assuming he's not the one who pushed the Olivera deal, I am willing to give him and his unquestioned knowledge of these kind of guys the benefit of the doubt. I just hope he doesn't evolve into Coppy's talent guru; any successful organization needs more than one voice of opinion.

But if an organization gives me a list of, say, 10 players to choose from, I would just as soon McDaniel pick that player as anyone.
 
rico43 said:
Not to be sarcastic, I'll tell you after we have them a while. Assuming he's not the one who pushed the Olivera deal, I am willing to give him and his unquestioned knowledge of these kind of guys the benefit of the doubt. I just hope he doesn't evolve into Coppy's talent guru; any successful organization needs more than one voice of opinion.

But if an organization gives me a list of, say, 10 players to choose from, I would just as soon McDaniel pick that player as anyone.
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I would hope Coppy would listen to Brian Bridges, Roy Clark, and Gordon Blakeley over anyone else when it comes to players.
 
Didn't Coppy specifically namecheck Clark and Blakeley as guys who'd had eyes on Olivera and approved the deal?

I'm not dumping on those guys, because they have obvious accomplishments and nobody gets them all right, but it's not as if they were out of the loop. And Olivera looked/looks bad. Kinda puzzling.
 
Julio3000 said:
Didn't Coppy specifically namecheck Clark and Blakeley as guys who'd had eyes on Olivera and approved the deal?

I'm not dumping on those guys, because they have obvious accomplishments and nobody gets them all right, but it's not as if they were out of the loop. And Olivera looked/looks bad. Kinda puzzling.
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The oddest thing about the Olivera deal was not that he is a complete bust... but that they acquired a 30 year old at the beginning of a rebuild - and traded 2 young, affordable, and controllable assets to do so.
 
mfree80 said:
I realize there is a lot of dislike toward Braun here, but I would much prefer Braun to Puig. Puig just feels like trouble waiting for a chance to happen, JMHO.
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Braun is 32 and starting to show signs of bring injury prone. I'd much rather have Puig, despite the character concerns.
 
sturg33 said:
The oddest thing about the Olivera deal was not that he is a complete bust... but that they acquired a 30 year old at the beginning of a rebuild - and traded 2 young, affordable, and controllable assets to do so.
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In hind sight, both teams should be very up set with the return of the trade. At the time a package of Paco/HO/Bird/draft pick should have gotten you better than what they received. I know they flipped Peraza + for some quality Minor leaguers.. but I think they were counting on JJ/Luis/Wood to help some what for the playoffs. However, they still clearly won the trade just for the fact that they dumped HO and a portion of his salary on another team while get a good prospect.
 
sturg33 said:
The oddest thing about the Olivera deal was not that he is a complete bust... but that they acquired a 30 year old at the beginning of a rebuild - and traded 2 young, affordable, and controllable assets to do so.
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Actually the worst part about Olivera was the fact he couldn't play 3B, and the Braves somehow didn't know that. He was acquired to be a .280/.340/.450 guy who hits 15-20 HRs. That is potentially a very valuable player at 3B, not so much in LF.

It was immediately apparent Olivera could not handle 3B, so why wasn't that known before the deal was made? How could something so blatantly obvious not be noted by scouts while he was playing in the minors unless they simply didn't watch him?

even worse, if they hadn't seen him against live competition in over a year, then that means they wouldn't have seen how bad he looked at the plate, especially against offspeed stuff. So why trade young assets for a guy they hadn't seen play?

The Olivera trade was a debacle all the way around.
 
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