sturg33
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The banking system runs the world.
This is why Ron Paul is not crazy when he wants to abolish the Fed.
Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours...
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The banking system runs the world.
This is why Ron Paul is not crazy when he wants to abolish the Fed.
Should we also allow for illegal moving of monies made overseas to American lower tax rates?
Who runs the banks?
How about the first step of electing an official that does the common sense thing in not wasting money, lowering taxes and not allowing companies to take advantage of slave labor? Or does slave labor go against your belief of being able to make the most money by any means necessary? You say you are for laws that protect people from being hurt but your stance of capitalism doesn't allow that.
sturg33
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See - your rhetoric again... here you are saying "slave labor." Remember what that means. It's tough to take you seriously
I will be honest, if a company wanted me to work 40 hours for $10... I would say no.
I'm talking about outsourcing overseas for pennies on the dollar.
You keep chiding Sturg for skimming over posts, but damn: pot meet kettle.
What's negative about being a leftist? Why do you think that a categorization of your stated political beliefs is a discrediting maneuver? Come on now, you've got to admit that you're being just a wee bit conspiratorial.
I didn't make that implication. You did when you said that we needed to be 'qualified' to solve domestic issues. I asked you what those qualifications might be and you completely skirted the question and went on a completely unrelated tirade about bribery and big business (again).
I did. By cutting off all lobbying you prevent unions, non-profits, small businesses, and other public entities (like individuals) from approaching their government.
Not yet to mention that it's a right afforded by the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But let's ban it because it's 'ass backwards'.
That's the point: there's nothing unique about your views, and I pointed that out by telling you which socio-political group shared the same beliefs ... and you cutely called it 'amateur hour BS'.
Here's another idiom for you: If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen.
Part of politics is debate. I'm sorry if my characterizations make you uncomfortable/upset, I'm just trying to make some sense of it all by analyzing what you've said -- which keeps circling back to the tired adage of, "The system is corrupt and I'm proud to openly announce that I take no part in it!" ... and, like I said in my last response, I find that to be an oversimplification of reality -- and civically irresponsible. There's a fundamental flaw in ignoring the ways that system rewards and advances effective political theory. If you want to get the country to your sweet spot, you've got to participate in pushing us in that direction.
What's negative about being a leftist? Why do you think that a categorization of your stated political beliefs is a discrediting maneuver? Come on now, you've got to admit that you're being just a wee bit conspiratorial.
I didn't make that implication. You did when you said that we needed to be 'qualified' to solve domestic issues. I asked you what those qualifications might be and you completely skirted the question and went on a completely unrelated tirade about bribery and big business (again).
I did. By cutting off all lobbying you prevent unions, non-profits, small businesses, and other public entities (like individuals) from approaching their government.
Not yet to mention that it's a right afforded by the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But let's ban it because it's 'ass backwards'.
That's the point: there's nothing unique about your views, and I pointed that out by telling you which socio-political group shared the same beliefs ... and you cutely called it 'amateur hour BS'.
Here's another idiom for you: If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen.
Part of politics is debate. I'm sorry if my characterizations make you uncomfortable/upset, I'm just trying to make some sense of it all by analyzing what you've said -- which keeps circling back to the tired adage of, "The system is corrupt and I'm proud to openly announce that I take no part in it!" ... and, like I said in my last response, I find that to be an oversimplification of reality -- and civically irresponsible. There's a fundamental flaw in ignoring the ways that system rewards and advances effective political theory. If you want to get the country to your sweet spot, you've got to participate in pushing us in that direction.
This isn't my first rodeo Hawk. Go ahead and run with your amateur labels. I think this way on a certain subject so it makes me (insert scary propaganda label). It was amateur hour BS the first time you said it and it's amateur hour BS the 3rd or 4th time as well. And it's going to continue to be amateur hour BS every time you say it herein afterwards.
What is a petition? It's a formal written request with respect to a particular cause. Petitioning to the government with multiple signatures shows that this is a cause that the public is adamant about. It shows the politician that the public is serious about a particular issue. That's the point of the damn thing. Not to walk into Washington as a powerful corporation with cash in hand to sway a politicians opinion. So if we're going to argue the nuts and bolts of it, what I mean by lobbying is lobbying with money to pay politicians off.
I can stand the heat just fine buddy. If I choose not to vote for Jeb, Hilary or whoever it may be, it does not make me civically irresponsible. To just sit and wait for the corrupt system to present you two candidates in which you vote for the lesser of the evils or one that coincides with your "label" is much more irresponsible. It's why we're in this situation in the first place.
But its the banks fault and the banks are autonomous?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
love it
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Republican party really showing their colors about the middle class and poor people
on the heals of "People need to work longer hours":
Scott Walker Strips Wisconsin Workers Of 'Living Wage' In New State Budget
Posted: 07/13/2015 10:02 pm EDT Updated: 53 minutes ago
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) signed the new state budget into law on Sunday with a last-minute change that strips the words "living wage" from state laws and replaces it with "minimum wage."
The change means minimum-wage Wisconsin workers will earn nearly $6,000 per year less than what the Massachusetts Institute of Technology calculates is a living wage in the state. And they will have no recourse, according to the Center for American Progress. MIT says a living wage would be $10.13 an hour.
The new law eliminates the ability of low-wage workers to appeal for a living wage. Previously, Wisconsin law stated that employee pay "shall be not less than a living wage," defined as "adequate to permit any employee to maintain herself or himself in minimum comfort, decency, physical and moral well-being." Wisconsin's living wage was tied to the state minimum wage, currently $7.25 an hour.
The old law allowed residents to challenge the living wage amount with the Department of Workforce Development. Last year, 100 workers, most earning just above the minimum wage, did just that, contending their pay wasn't a living wage. The state denied their claim, declaring "there is no reasonable cause to believe that the wages paid to the complainants are not a living wage." The workers later filed a lawsuit against the state.
Walker, who announced his 2016 presidential campaign on Monday, also decided workers don't need weekends off. According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the budget Walker signed "would allow factory and retail employees to work seven days without a day off, as long as they said in writing that they were doing so voluntarily." The old law required employers to give workers at least one day off for every seven days of work.
on the heals of "People need to work longer hours":
Scott Walker Strips Wisconsin Workers Of 'Living Wage' In New State Budget
Posted: 07/13/2015 10:02 pm EDT Updated: 53 minutes ago
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) signed the new state budget into law on Sunday with a last-minute change that strips the words "living wage" from state laws and replaces it with "minimum wage."
The change means minimum-wage Wisconsin workers will earn nearly $6,000 per year less than what the Massachusetts Institute of Technology calculates is a living wage in the state. And they will have no recourse, according to the Center for American Progress. MIT says a living wage would be $10.13 an hour.
The new law eliminates the ability of low-wage workers to appeal for a living wage. Previously, Wisconsin law stated that employee pay "shall be not less than a living wage," defined as "adequate to permit any employee to maintain herself or himself in minimum comfort, decency, physical and moral well-being." Wisconsin's living wage was tied to the state minimum wage, currently $7.25 an hour.
The old law allowed residents to challenge the living wage amount with the Department of Workforce Development. Last year, 100 workers, most earning just above the minimum wage, did just that, contending their pay wasn't a living wage. The state denied their claim, declaring "there is no reasonable cause to believe that the wages paid to the complainants are not a living wage." The workers later filed a lawsuit against the state.
Walker, who announced his 2016 presidential campaign on Monday, also decided workers don't need weekends off. According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the budget Walker signed "would allow factory and retail employees to work seven days without a day off, as long as they said in writing that they were doing so voluntarily." The old law required employers to give workers at least one day off for every seven days of work.
Again, what's so scary about self-identification? All of this spineless posturing just looks like you being afraid of your own beliefs.
That's a narrow definition, another is simply "an appeal".
Look, we all understand and agree that anybody buying votes, vis-à-vis lobbying, is detestable. But, technically, there are already laws in place designed specifically to prevent that. Does it still happen? Sure, so you might advocate for stricter enforcement/penalties ... but to out and out ban lobbying is, as you say, 'ass backwards' ... and an oppression of my freedom (look, you've just managed to do the same thing you supposedly vehemently oppose!)
Then start answering some of my questions, for starters: what 'qualifications' are needed to be politically involved?
And yes, it absolutely does make you irresponsible. To not participate at all and still expect something to happen? Really? You are really going to try and tell me that's a more productive route? That's utterly fantastical.
sturg33
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I'm confused at your question.
Are you suggesting that I don't think the government is to blame for bailouts and QE we allowed over the last decade?
Tapate50
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I think you bolded the wrong part of that last one.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I get what you're saying, but I think the danger in that is that when there is such extreme asymmetry in power (between a low-level worker and corporate behemoth in contemporary America) such a thing could be a slippery slope and may be abused by employers.
You have said the banking system runs the world right?
Who do you think controls the banking system?
sturg33
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A whole myriad of people, including, but not limited to, global governments.
What point are you trying to make?
I made a claim that we are living in a Plutocracy and that is why we are seeing this widening wage gap. You are saying its because of the banking system.
I believe they are one in the same but saying you don't like the banks is more palatable for you instead of just acknowledging the fact that its the wealthy of this world that are screwing everyone else.
It's not spineless posturing and it's not self identification. What you're doing is taking a very small portion of my beliefs and labeling me as a whole from it. It's like labeling someone a child molester because they slept with a 17 year old when they were 18. It's labeling someone as a socialist because they think they way the fire dept is ran is fine. Labeling someone a murderer because they killed someone in self defense in a home invasion. You can place labels anyway you want and it may be true in a very small literal sense but it doesn't give credence to what the truth actually is.
You know exactly what I meant by lobbying and I made myself pretty clear there by my stance in this thread. That bolded part is just useless fluff to try and get over on me.
If a politician is going to make a decision on the economy, don't you think they should have an education on that very subject? Or should you just have them guess? I'll throw out ideas on what I think should be done but when sturg asks me the exact dollar amount that should be set for minimum wage, he knows I'm not going to know what that is because it takes formulating a ridiculous amount of data to figure that out. It's not my job to do that but I'll gladly vote someone in office who can.
It doesn't make me the least bit irresponsible at all. If I think I'm a better candidate than Jeb Bush and I vote for myself, then I made the responsible vote. If you think the responsible vote is a guy who comes from a bloodline of despicable travesties, then we will just agree to disagree there because no amount of debating will ever change our minds. Simply voting for one of the two politicians from the same pool we always get does not make you a responsible voter.