Jecki Lon Memorial Star Wars Thread

[zitothebrave]

8 and 9 are hard to watch. 7 is very mid.

The thing that bothers me the most is they never have Luke, Han, and Leia all meet up.

The overally story just didn't mesh well togethor imo. It seemed very disjointed. With all the money in the world and with one of the biggest IPs ever. You would think they could have nailed down the writing to cover 3 movies before hand.

I mean you can blame them all not being together on JJ and Kasden (and Harrison Ford) .

There is an issue of a writer not doing all 3 films. As I understand it, the issue was Disney and JJ not giving the writer time to write all the films. But you don't need a writer, just someone who has a story board that all directors and writers follow.

 

[zitothebrave]

It was a funny post. That's it. Calm down.

But since you asked, a quick blast of fire, purely for dramatic affect to make the space battles look cooler, could easily be written off as liquid oxygen being blown from the ship. Sure, that is lazy as well, and doesn't fit physics either. But it's far more believable and contextually fits way better, than an open crackling fire in space.

X unbelievable scenario is more viable than Y unbelievable scenario.

Also we saw fires too on the Executor after the A wing kamakazi.

 

[thewupk]

I mean you can blame them all not being together on JJ and Kasden (and Harrison Ford) .

There is an issue of a writer not doing all 3 films. As I understand it, the issue was Disney and JJ not giving the writer time to write all the films. But you don't need a writer, just someone who has a story board that all directors and writers follow.

The blame can fall on whoever. It's still a shame and a disservice to the actual fans who made it a billion dollar IP.

The character assisnation of Luke is just horrible writing no matter who did it.

 

[zitothebrave]

The blame can fall on whoever. It's still a shame and a disservice to the actual fans who made it a billion dollar IP.

The character assisnation of Luke is just horrible writing no matter who did it.

I don't buy into any character assassination of Luke. I mean again it isn't how I'd have done it. I think I've made that opinion clear. But given what we know, Luke could easily see himself as a cause of problem and threat to everyone and run away.

Now again, I didn't like it, first off the idea that he would go somewhere remote, but anyone could technically figure it out so it wasn't really secret. So what was the point of that? The MacGuffin of the death star plans makes sense, but half of a map to Luke's location? Oh and R2D2 just happened to wake up with the other half? Lol.

Force Awakens has aged really poorly. It's total **** and Last Jedi had to do it's best to salvage it and make it work in the sense of moving the story forward. Only for JJ to just throw out every film beforehand.

 

[Carp]

X unbelievable scenario is more viable than Y unbelievable scenario.

Also we saw fires too on the Executor after the A wing kamakazi.

Again I don't really care. I just thought it was funny. But at least one scenario makes sense with context.

 

[striker42]

Nah, it's pretty dope so far. Seeing Jedi at their peak able to do cool things we never fully got to see. Enemy has a clear motivation that's personal and more stuff will unfold. Episodes pace really well. The CGI is also outstanding. Neomoidians looked awesome in particular. ALso really dig the fight choreography. Both the opening fight scene with Indira, and the fight scene with Sol. Most likely things will ramp up as the season goes on.

I'm, surprisingly, with Zito on this. I really enjoyed the first two episodes. I think the acting has been excellent. Amandla Stenberg makes Moses Ingram look like Calculon from Futurama. Guy who plays Sol has been excellent too. I really want more backstory on that character, he's super interesting.

I agree that seeing the Jedi at their peak is really cool and Im loving the fight scenes as well. Star Wars has traditionally been Samurai movie inspired so seeing a Kung Fun movie spin is really fun. I'm hoping we see a a full on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon epic fight scene at the finale.

I'm also liking the choice to set this in the High Republic. There's a lot less canon you have to be careful of. I hope they take full advantage of that.

Now if we can just get a Knights of the Old Republic show and bring Darth Revan back into canon.

 

[striker42]

I don't buy into any character assassination of Luke. I mean again it isn't how I'd have done it. I think I've made that opinion clear. But given what we know, Luke could easily see himself as a cause of problem and threat to everyone and run away.

Now again, I didn't like it, first off the idea that he would go somewhere remote, but anyone could technically figure it out so it wasn't really secret. So what was the point of that? The MacGuffin of the death star plans makes sense, but half of a map to Luke's location? Oh and R2D2 just happened to wake up with the other half? Lol.

Force Awakens has aged really poorly. It's total **** and Last Jedi had to do it's best to salvage it and make it work in the sense of moving the story forward. Only for JJ to just throw out every film beforehand.

In retrospect, The Force Awakens was awful. I hated the unceremonious destruction of the New Republic. It renders so much of the original trilogy meaningless. It's unforgivable.

My problems with TLJ are well discussed here. No need to relitigate them.

Ultimately, I blame Kennedy for the problems with the sequel trilogy. It was her job to make sure there was an overarching story for the whole series before filming started. She decided to instead treat a trilogy like the elementary school game where you make up a story with each kid coming up with one sentence at a time. You end up with nonsense.

 

[striker42]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...r-wars-fandom-women-struggle-kathleen-kennedy

Is there a worse person to run LucasFilm than Kennedy? This is an absolutely clueless take.

First, there are a lot of female Star Wars fans. Kennedy is being really insulting to the fan base playing on the stereotype of the incel Star Wars fan.

Second, there are a lot of awesome female characters in Star Wars that male fans like. Leia, Ahsoka, Monmothma, Hera, Jyn Erso, Ventress, Cara Dune, Bo Katan, and everyone's favorite, Bastila Shan. Star Wars is very clear that women can be every bit as powerful as men and always has been.

Blaming male fans for not liking Rey is just Kennedy unwilling to accept her own failure. Rey was poorly written, often had insufficient motivation and agency, and was the victim of there being no unified story. She's not a good character and her gender has nothing to do with that.

 

[thewupk]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...r-wars-fandom-women-struggle-kathleen-kennedy

Is there a worse person to run LucasFilm than Kennedy? This is an absolutely clueless take.

First, there are a lot of female Star Wars fans. Kennedy is being really insulting to the fan base playing on the stereotype of the incel Star Wars fan.

Second, there are a lot of awesome female characters in Star Wars that male fans like. Leia, Ahsoka, Monmothma, Hera, Jyn Erso, Ventress, Cara Dune, Bo Katan, and everyone's favorite, Bastila Shan. Star Wars is very clear that women can be every bit as powerful as men and always has been.

Blaming male fans for not liking Rey is just Kennedy unwilling to accept her own failure. Rey was poorly written, often had insufficient motivation and agency, and was the victim of there being no unified story. She's not a good character and her gender has nothing to do with that.

This is not just a Kathleen Kennedy problem but a Hollywood as a whole problem. They blame males for certain female led stories failing (hello The Marvels) when it's the movies/characters themselves that suck. Maybe they will get it one day. Maybe they won't.

 

[Tapate50]

Yeah that’s a self reflection issue. See it a lot with Hollywood lefty types

 

[zitothebrave]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...r-wars-fandom-women-struggle-kathleen-kennedy

Is there a worse person to run LucasFilm than Kennedy? This is an absolutely clueless take.

First, there are a lot of female Star Wars fans. Kennedy is being really insulting to the fan base playing on the stereotype of the incel Star Wars fan.

Second, there are a lot of awesome female characters in Star Wars that male fans like. Leia, Ahsoka, Monmothma, Hera, Jyn Erso, Ventress, Cara Dune, Bo Katan, and everyone's favorite, Bastila Shan. Star Wars is very clear that women can be every bit as powerful as men and always has been.

Blaming male fans for not liking Rey is just Kennedy unwilling to accept her own failure. Rey was poorly written, often had insufficient motivation and agency, and was the victim of there being no unified story. She's not a good character and her gender has nothing to do with that.

I mean she's not really wrong. Incels harrassed KElly Marie Tran so bad she left social media. Daisy Ridley and John Boyega had negative experience from the fans too. I don't think it's jsut a Star Wars issue though. IT's an issue with most modern media because

Also if you think Star Wars fans always liked Ahsoka you're smoking something mate. It took seasons for people to stop hating on her. People literally hated on Bo Katan recently. Cara Dune is about as bland of a character as can exist. Mon Mothma barely was featured in the OT. No one cared about her. It would be like saying Star Wars fans like General Dodonna.

I won't disagree with you that Rey was written poorly. I have no clue why they didn't develop her character at all in Ep 7. THen throw out all development in Ep 8 in Ep 9. Hoping her solo movie actually digs into the meat.

 

[thewupk]

I mean she's not really wrong. Incels harrassed KElly Marie Tran so bad she left social media. Daisy Ridley and John Boyega had negative experience from the fans too. I don't think it's jsut a Star Wars issue though. IT's an issue with most modern media because

Also if you think Star Wars fans always liked Ahsoka you're smoking something mate. It took seasons for people to stop hating on her. People literally hated on Bo Katan recently. Cara Dune is about as bland of a character as can exist. Mon Mothma barely was featured in the OT. No one cared about her. It would be like saying Star Wars fans like General Dodonna.

I won't disagree with you that Rey was written poorly. I have no clue why they didn't develop her character at all in Ep 7. THen throw out all development in Ep 8 in Ep 9. Hoping her solo movie actually digs into the meat.

Let's not act like it's just a woman thing. Hayden Christensen has probablly recieved more **** than any Star Wars actor alive. I get that he is somewhat beloved now but that's a pretty recent take. Star Wars is one of if not the biggest IPs out there. The sheer number of fans means there is going to be a lot of people that just hate on something they don't like and it will make some waves just due to the numbers of it.

Is most of it justified? No. But people like Kennedy make a way bigger deal out of it that it needs to be which again brings out more hate for having such a stupid take.

There is also the take that maybe Star Wars isn't meant for the mass female audience like they want it to be? Star Wars is one of those male fullfillment fantasy stories. Same with most comic book stories. Young kid from nowhere becomes the great hero and saves the day. It resonates with a lot of males for a reason. Women in mass don't watch movies like this yet they are surprised, and blame males, when those projects fail.

 

[zitothebrave]

Let's not act like it's just a woman thing. Hayden Christensen has probablly recieved more **** than any Star Wars actor alive. I get that he is somewhat beloved now but that's a pretty recent take. Star Wars is one of if not the biggest IPs out there. The sheer number of fans means there is going to be a lot of people that just hate on something they don't like and it will make some waves just due to the numbers of it.

Is most of it justified? No. But people like Kennedy make a way bigger deal out of it that it needs to be which again brings out more hate for having such a stupid take.

There is also the take that maybe Star Wars isn't meant for the mass female audience like they want it to be? Star Wars is one of those male fullfillment fantasy stories. Same with most comic book stories. Young kid from nowhere becomes the great hero and saves the day. It resonates with a lot of males for a reason. Women in mass don't watch movies like this yet they are surprised, and blame males, when those projects fail.

I mean the incels bring it on themselves. Hayden didn't receive the same hate that Kelly Marie Tran did. Part of it is that social media gives the average twat way more "power" to their voice than they deserve. Most of it is people are genuinely **** at media literacy.

To say Star Wars isn't meant for mass female appeal is stupid. Literally every major IP is for mass appeal. Generally speaking when you genderify something you wind up ****ing up sales potential. Lucas was always about making things branded at it's core.

Anyway, None of this has to do with Acolyte which was pretty great so far. If it keeps doing well and get better like most shows have been (even Kenobi got better as the season went on) it will work out to be one of the better Star Wars shows. But the incels are lighting themselves on fire decrying it because the show runner is flaming them. I mean these are the same people who freaked out because Ariel was black in the live action movie.

 

[striker42]

I mean she's not really wrong. Incels harrassed KElly Marie Tran so bad she left social media. Daisy Ridley and John Boyega had negative experience from the fans too. I don't think it's jsut a Star Wars issue though. IT's an issue with most modern media because

Also if you think Star Wars fans always liked Ahsoka you're smoking something mate. It took seasons for people to stop hating on her. People literally hated on Bo Katan recently. Cara Dune is about as bland of a character as can exist. Mon Mothma barely was featured in the OT. No one cared about her. It would be like saying Star Wars fans like General Dodonna.

I won't disagree with you that Rey was written poorly. I have no clue why they didn't develop her character at all in Ep 7. THen throw out all development in Ep 8 in Ep 9. Hoping her solo movie actually digs into the meat.

Incels bully but that's what they do. The idea that all male Star Wars fans resent women is a trope that isn't remotely true. Incels have behaved awfully but they're not why some female characters have failed in Star Wars.

Ahsoka was pretty insufferable in the first season of Clone Wars. But they did a good job developing her character and she's ended up being very popular among fans.

As for Monmothma, did you watch Andor? She has a major role in that show and is awesome. I love what they've done with her so much that I'd absolutely watch a show centered on her. I'm not the only one either.

I disagree Bo Katan and Cara Dune aren't generally liked by fans. Sure there has been complaints and I'll agree the acting hasn't always been great with those two. But no one is out there complaining about them because they're female.

Agree on Rey. No idea why they didn't develop that character. I hope better for her solo movie but I'm not optimistic with Kennedy's bony hand on it.

 

[Tapate50]

wtf is an incel

 

[zitothebrave]

Incels bully but that's what they do. The idea that all male Star Wars fans resent women is a trope that isn't remotely true. Incels have behaved awfully but they're not why some female characters have failed in Star Wars.

Ahsoka was pretty insufferable in the first season of Clone Wars. But they did a good job developing her character and she's ended up being very popular among fans.

As for Monmothma, did you watch Andor? She has a major role in that show and is awesome. I love what they've done with her so much that I'd absolutely watch a show centered on her. I'm not the only one either.

I disagree Bo Katan and Cara Dune aren't generally liked by fans. Sure there has been complaints and I'll agree the acting hasn't always been great with those two. But no one is out there complaining about them because they're female.

Agree on Rey. No idea why they didn't develop that character. I hope better for her solo movie but I'm not optimistic with Kennedy's bony hand on it.

People shouldn't accept incels bullying people. They should get put in their ****ing place. Instead people put their ideas front and center. Incels and the youtube grifters have ruined Star Wars discourse online.

If you search Kathleen Kennedy Women Star Wars you see the usual grifters and incel subreddits commenting. I legit quit Star Wars youtube because of grifters like Star Wars theory. And you know what what she says isn't wrong. What she said was in direct quotes

“Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying,” she told the publication. “I think Leslye has struggled a little bit with it. I think a lot of the women who step into ‘Star Wars’ struggle with this a bit more. Because of the fan base being so male dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal.”

She shouldn't be dancing around and should say incels and their ilk get the **** out of fandom. The agression people have shown towards Leslye is buckwild and wouldn't happen if she was a man. Again the legit horrible things said towards Kelly Marie Tran should have gotten people kicked off the internet.

 

[striker42]

People shouldn't accept incels bullying people. They should get put in their ****ing place. Instead people put their ideas front and center. Incels and the youtube grifters have ruined Star Wars discourse online.

If you search Kathleen Kennedy Women Star Wars you see the usual grifters and incel subreddits commenting. I legit quit Star Wars youtube because of grifters like Star Wars theory. And you know what what she says isn't wrong. What she said was in direct quotes

“Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying,” she told the publication. “I think Leslye has struggled a little bit with it. I think a lot of the women who step into ‘Star Wars’ struggle with this a bit more. Because of the fan base being so male dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal.”

She shouldn't be dancing around and should say incels and their ilk get the **** out of fandom. The agression people have shown towards Leslye is buckwild and wouldn't happen if she was a man. Again the legit horrible things said towards Kelly Marie Tran should have gotten people kicked off the internet.

She literally says that actresses are attacked because the Star Wars fan base is male dominated. That's the leap she takes. The number of male fans vs female fans is totally irrelevant. She basically just lumped in the overwhelming majority of the male fan base with the toxic minority.

I don't think any sane person condones the behavior towards these actresses but it's not because of male fans in general.

 

[thewupk]

wtf is an incel

Interent trolls that are men who according to their detractors have never felt the warmth of a female lover.

I'll never understand why some people get upset with what random people say about them on the internet. Maybe it's because I grew up in the wild west of the internet and just learned not to give a ****?

 

[striker42]

Interent trolls that are men who according to their detractors have never felt the warmth of a female lover.

I'll never understand why some people get upset with what random people say about them on the internet. Maybe it's because I grew up in the wild west of the internet and just learned not to give a ****?

They tend to get focused on when an excuse is needed for the failure of some media product. If the product is successful, you never hear about the trolls. If it fails then it's the incel trolls fault.

I doubt how much effect they actually have on celebrities as so many celeb social media accounts are run by companies.

 

[zitothebrave]

They tend to get focused on when an excuse is needed for the failure of some media product. If the product is successful, you never hear about the trolls. If it fails then it's the incel trolls fault.

I doubt how much effect they actually have on celebrities as so many celeb social media accounts are run by companies.

Nah, there's plenty of bad properties. No one was jumping to defend WW84. No one was jumping to defend other poor movies and shows.

The incels and grifters get their jollies off attacking any female, queer, or person of color lead show or movie. What stops them is the fanbases. What enables them is when parts of a fanbase falls in line with them. It propels people into believing myths. And propagates false news. Someone literally was arguing that queer representation in AAA video games is why people weren't buying it and they sucked. WHen a writer asked what about BG3 the twatter's brain shorted and couldn't figure it out.

The grifters and incels are celebrating the failure of Furiosa while real fans lement the fact.