Jecki Lon Memorial Star Wars Thread

Thrawn is the big villain in the universe. All the characters (mando, fett,Ashoka, baby yoda) will come together and battle Thrawn in the finale

Quite Possible. Odds are one of them will have to die before then. Ahsoka makes the most sense as she's the most OP int hat regard. That or they need someone capable of fighting Ahsoka and potentially Ezra.

I'm really excited for Ahsoka to see if we get live action Ezra and Sabine.
 
Quite Possible. Odds are one of them will have to die before then. Ahsoka makes the most sense as she's the most OP int hat regard. That or they need someone capable of fighting Ahsoka and potentially Ezra.

I'm really excited for Ahsoka to see if we get live action Ezra and Sabine.

Didn't they confirm Ahsoka's voice was heard during that scene in Rise of Skywalker meaning she was dead by that point? So it would make sense to give her an in canon death. Especially one that's really meaningful.
 
Didn't they confirm Ahsoka's voice was heard during that scene in Rise of Skywalker meaning she was dead by that point? So it would make sense to give her an in canon death. Especially one that's really meaningful.

Ahsoka's voice was in Rise of Skywalker. But she may not be dead. Filoni has shown his desire to twist the universe to tell his tale. no better example than Maul.
 
Ahsoka's voice was in Rise of Skywalker. But she may not be dead. Filoni has shown his desire to twist the universe to tell his tale. no better example than Maul.

Good point. I don't think Favreau and Filoni will encounter much resistance if they decide to rewrite the canon of the sequel trilogy. The Mando-verse is the biggest thing LucasFilm has going.
 
Good point. I don't think Favreau and Filoni will encounter much resistance if they decide to rewrite the canon of the sequel trilogy. The Mando-verse is the biggest thing LucasFilm has going.

I agree with you. I think it's a problem because it sets up potential failure for other tales. Part of why the MCU winds up working is there are different tales. While the Russo's Captain America movies are kidn of rough and tumble films with heavy themes, Guardians of the Galaxy is essentially high fantasy fart jokes, Doctor Strange and Shang Chi kind of living in a mystical world, so on so forth. Star Wars needs some high fantasy, it needs some gritty realism, it needs some westerns, it needs some Samurai. You need multiple stories to flesh out this universe. Cause if all it is is the Mandoverse, it's going to be lame AF. I think there's plenty of room for almost any genre in Star Wars. You could have a mobster movie set in the lower levels of Coruscant. Could go on but there's plenty of options that exist that could have a Star Wars twist.
 
I agree with you. I think it's a problem because it sets up potential failure for other tales. Part of why the MCU winds up working is there are different tales. While the Russo's Captain America movies are kidn of rough and tumble films with heavy themes, Guardians of the Galaxy is essentially high fantasy fart jokes, Doctor Strange and Shang Chi kind of living in a mystical world, so on so forth. Star Wars needs some high fantasy, it needs some gritty realism, it needs some westerns, it needs some Samurai. You need multiple stories to flesh out this universe. Cause if all it is is the Mandoverse, it's going to be lame AF. I think there's plenty of room for almost any genre in Star Wars. You could have a mobster movie set in the lower levels of Coruscant. Could go on but there's plenty of options that exist that could have a Star Wars twist.

I do think there are going to be some different takes. Kenobi could be really, really good and yet nothing like the space western that is The Mandalorian. I think they're setting up Ahsoka to be more of a Samurai aesthetic. The backdoor pilot definitely had that. Then there's Andor that looks to be a spy thriller.

I think Book of Boba Fett should have been space Godfather. In The Godfather, you root for the Corleone crime family even though they're terrible people who do terrible things. However, I think they felt making Boba Fett that dirty would have somehow sullied Mando by association.

I'm still begging for an Old Republic show. If you want high fantasy, the Old Republic era is perfect for it.
 
Yeah I'm hoping we get to see some unknown regions, Old Republic, etc.

My ultimate wet dream, Filoni starts a show that works in the unknown regions. Leading to the tease of a Yuuzhan Vong type of enemy that leads into a giant story that centers around a trilogy from Rian Johnson with an animated show, comics, books, etc. Movies tell the main story of the new main heroes. Let's say descendents of Rey's Jedi Order, mixed with some new republic warriors and a few rogues. The shows and comics flesh out their backstory. Animated show tells the tales of the many battles that cannot make it to the screen in a Clone Wars type of thing.

Of course I'm sure this won't happen. At this point I know it's not cancelled but I cannot imagine Johnson being super interested in doing Star Wars when Netflix threw so much money at him to fnish the Knives Out trilogy. I hope I'm wrong. Because I think Johnson penned script with Filoni and some others working on a big story would go so well.
 
Rian Johnson is best suited in a world of his own creation. His trademark is subverting expectations and when you're in a world with pre-established things, it can be hard to do this in a way that doesn't feeling jarring or inconsistent. His take on Luke was a prime example. Even if you like it you can't deny that it was a very different Luke we saw in TLJ. That was never going to be something he could do without upsetting a large number of people.

If he was ever going to be given a Star Wars movie, it needed to be one that had almost no connection to established people or places. Giving him a story in the Unknown Regions or one set in the time of the Sith Wars would have been much better than giving him a Skywalker Saga movie. He could do any take on that he wished with few restrictions of established canon.

In any event, I hope the story of Rey, Finn, and Poe is over. The tug of war between Abrams and Johnson just destroyed anything interesting about those characters.
 
Rian Johnson is best suited in a world of his own creation. His trademark is subverting expectations and when you're in a world with pre-established things, it can be hard to do this in a way that doesn't feeling jarring or inconsistent. His take on Luke was a prime example. Even if you like it you can't deny that it was a very different Luke we saw in TLJ. That was never going to be something he could do without upsetting a large number of people.

If he was ever going to be given a Star Wars movie, it needed to be one that had almost no connection to established people or places. Giving him a story in the Unknown Regions or one set in the time of the Sith Wars would have been much better than giving him a Skywalker Saga movie. He could do any take on that he wished with few restrictions of established canon.

In any event, I hope the story of Rey, Finn, and Poe is over. The tug of war between Abrams and Johnson just destroyed anything interesting about those characters.

It won't be over. We'll get some Disney+ series, probably animated. Maybe live action.

Johnson's take on Luke was based on what was laid bare before him. As I said before, if you have an issue with Luke in TLJ, bring it up to JJ and Kasden. They should have left Han out of the first movie and had Luke die in it.
 
It won't be over. We'll get some Disney+ series, probably animated. Maybe live action.

Johnson's take on Luke was based on what was laid bare before him. As I said before, if you have an issue with Luke in TLJ, bring it up to JJ and Kasden. They should have left Han out of the first movie and had Luke die in it.

I think there are multiple ways Johnson could have taken Luke. Multiple different explanations for his exile. But the biggest problem with the one he chose was that there was insufficient explanation of Luke's fall. Luke goes from refusing the dark side in his refusal to kill his mass murderer father to being willing to kill an innocent kid. That transition was poorly explained.

If they'd ditched the Canto Bight nonsense and spent time really exploring Luke's fall from grace and his motivations then I think it would have gone a long way towards calming some of the ire and made for a better movie. I think this was a failure of storytelling.

I think JJ was setting up Luke's exile to be one of protecting his friends. He knew Kylo wouldn't stop looking for him so he went and hid to keep others safe. Throw in a dash of guilt over Kylo's fall and you get Luke to where he was. Not a particularly interesting story and something of a retread (JJ seemed intent on retreading everything he could) but it's where JJ was going.

I could accept Luke falling to a bitter exile if it was just better fleshed out. His fall wasn't believable.
 
If there's anything I want to see related to the sequel trilogy it would be the rise and fall of the Jedi academy. A deft hand in that could really help the sequel trilogy the same way Clone Wars helped the prequels.
 
I think there are multiple ways Johnson could have taken Luke. Multiple different explanations for his exile. But the biggest problem with the one he chose was that there was insufficient explanation of Luke's fall. Luke goes from refusing the dark side in his refusal to kill his mass murderer father to being willing to kill an innocent kid. That transition was poorly explained.

If they'd ditched the Canto Bight nonsense and spent time really exploring Luke's fall from grace and his motivations then I think it would have gone a long way towards calming some of the ire and made for a better movie. I think this was a failure of storytelling.

I think JJ was setting up Luke's exile to be one of protecting his friends. He knew Kylo wouldn't stop looking for him so he went and hid to keep others safe. Throw in a dash of guilt over Kylo's fall and you get Luke to where he was. Not a particularly interesting story and something of a retread (JJ seemed intent on retreading everything he could) but it's where JJ was going.

I could accept Luke falling to a bitter exile if it was just better fleshed out. His fall wasn't believable.

The transition isn't poorly explained if you take all sort of information.

1. Luke almost killed his father, before stopping and rejecting the dark side. He tapped into the dark side, chopped his father's hand off and was about to kill him,but then stopped.

2. What makes the Skywalker's special is their command of the dark and the light. Their touch with both, this was established in the Mortis arc.

3. A line from the ESB "Yes, run! Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice." Luke started down the dark side path but wasn't to continue down it as he was able to turn it back but it's not like it totally would leave him. That's a silly thing.

Also the set up was there. Luke saw that Kylo was turned, and saw that Kylo would destroy everything he fought for and created, and as he said "instinct took hold, just for a second" it's hardly impossible.

There were other options that exist I will admit it. But it was the logical guess with everything else. People didn't want it. But the logical thing was to go into exile. Everyone assumed it was Yoda. But even more extreme. Or Ben. And it could have been. But it would have been a leap.

JJ may have intended it that way. But he provided no information on details. Other than a student destroyed his school and he ran away in exile. Like Leia had no information, which is stupid. But anyway, I digress. Luke could have gone a number of ways. But with all the information from all the mediums, it was a logical place to go.

That being said, I believe you're allowed to have your opinion, I just don't agree with it and I think that's fair. Everyone should be able to draw their own opinion.

Again, the clearly better option is Luke's Jedi Order is under attack by the end of the first act of the movie and he dies in it. That's the clearly superior method of telling his tale. He dies protecting Rey who goes on the run, then you can even throw in a time jump if you want. But even without it, it would give Rey an opportunity to seek out the resistance and han as they'd be the protection against the first order.
 
If there's anything I want to see related to the sequel trilogy it would be the rise and fall of the Jedi academy. A deft hand in that could really help the sequel trilogy the same way Clone Wars helped the prequels.

I agree with you. JJ's handwaving sucked a lot of fun out of those gaps. Especially after Rise of Skywalker **** all over a ton of media like the Aftermath books and a few comics that spent a ton of time on Operation Cinder, which was just a waste in the end.

But yeah we need some healthy time gap coverage. Animated would be the way to go as you could be sure to tell the tales of Leia, Han, Luke, Snoke all over a decent timeframe.
 
Whose the empire dude :45 into the kenobi teaser trailer?

I assume you're talking about the darkside user? I assume that's the live action version of the grand inquisitor as the markings all match. Haven't looked at casting stuff yet.

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Book of Boba Fett was probably the worst show I've every watched all the way through. Worse than Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Terrible premise, terrible writing, terrible acting, terrible directing. Just all around awful.
 
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