Jewish Community Centers Under Threat

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"Jewish community centers across the nation are under siege as dozens received bomb threats this month ― including more than 20 reported on Wednesday alone."

My sister works at one of those JCCs that received a bomb threat today.

I know the article quotes Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office Captain Mike Hartzler as saying that "There’s no apparent motive and no immediate danger"; and I know our own [MENTION=266]Hawk[/MENTION] has assured me that the racially-premised and nakedly anti-semitic elements of Trump's constituency, and the alt-right at large, represent a fringe minority. Nevertheless, the fact that the ADL (a flawed organization, but one that is certainly keeping tabs on this score) has noted "a spike in hate incidents post-election and a series of bomb threats targeting the Jewish community over the past couple weeks" is both discouraging and, to my mind, difficult to divorce from the President-elect's ascendance—given the gleefully vociferous (if otherwise marginal) anti-semitism of a component of the latter's base, and the fact that—intentional or not—his success lends cover and credibility to any actual, hateful activities that might derive from this type of heretofore-only-vocalized sentiment.
 
Forever Fredi said:
TIL that the J in Jpx stands for Jewish.
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I was raised Episcopal (though very loosely—as is pretty appropriate, within that bastion of lapsed Catholics). My grandmother is (ethnically) Jewish (ie non-practicing), however.

But I'm a vaguely self-hating, half-heartedly nihilistic, somewhat over-educated, socialist-leaning, low-key atheist pretending at agnosticism—so I could probably pass for a certain kind of Jewish.
 
They are trying so hard to push this alt right narrative. I am surprised they didn't spread rumors of Trump's daddy being in the KKK.
 
jpx7 said:
I'd bet they were not—but I assume you presume this to be some sort of false-flag to discredit the alt-right (despite the pretty-damn-conspicuous anti-semitism voiced by corners of that self-proclaimed ideology-grouping)?
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I am pretty sure there are bad people who support both sides. The left has their wackos just like the right. I didn't see the KKK supporting Obama making national news. I don't hear about Hillary taking money from people who also give money to ISIS on the national news. Maybe because I don't watch the national news, but I doubt it was on there.
 
cajunrevenge said:
They are trying so hard to push this alt right narrative. I am surprised they didn't spread rumors of Trump's daddy being in the KKK.
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Who is "they"? Certainly there are very vocal folks who have taken on the "alt-right" mantle, and the name itself is self-appointed; so I'm not sure which "they" you see to be pushing "this alt right narrative."

As I mentioned in the original post, I am sympathetic to the claim of Hawk (and others) that anti-semitism is not a core quality of the movement, even if it has at times dominated the narrative about the movement. Calling it out as ****ed up—showing solidarity with those threatened, even if they have opposing ideological beliefs—is a good way to further demonstrate that such protests are in good faith; and that, indeed, any anti-semitic elements in the alt-right are marginal and minor, even if loud and well-networked.
 
In the past year there have been numerous times people have created fake instances of racism and bigotry for attention. We should all be skeptical every time someone comes forward.

theres a big difference between a prank and a credible threat.
 
Krgrecw said:
And your sister heard the actual call?
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:Gasp:

It's one thing to credit this sort of activity out as non-representative of the larger group to which it could be tied. It's even another thing, if somewhat paranoid, to believe "the other side" (whatever that even means, in this context) is behind the activity, as a means of discrediting-through-outrage. But it takes a particular sort of blithe insanity to only admit as possible fact that which confirms your individual worldview.
 
Krgrecw said:
theres a big difference between a prank and a credible threat.
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A bomb-threat is not really a "prank", even if it isn't credible.

And even if the threat isn't credible, it still comes from a place of disdain or hatred, and is still intended to disrupt or terrorize (as the spokesman from the ADL noted).
 
jpx7 said:
Who is "they"? Certainly there are very vocal folks who have taken on the "alt-right" mantle, and the name itself is self-appointed; so I'm not sure which "they" you see to be pushing "this alt right narrative."

As I mentioned in the original post, I am sympathetic to the claim of Hawk (and others) that anti-semitism is not a core quality of the movement, even if it has at times dominated the narrative about the movement. Calling it out as ****ed up—showing solidarity with those threatened, even if they have opposing ideological beliefs—is a good way to further demonstrate that such protests are in good faith; and that, indeed, any anti-semitic elements in the alt-right are marginal and minor, even if loud and well-networked.
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They being the DNC/Hillary's campaign or any Super Pacs.

I just think it's silly all these groups seem to be competing over who the biggest victims of a Trump presidency are going to be. It's like the victim olympics. Who was the last Republican President who wasn't treated as Hitler reincarnated before he even took office?
 
cajunrevenge said:
And I bet those threats are made by liberals.
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Don't even know what to say.

I'll bet it was done by white supremacists or KKK or KKK wannabes. They are the only ones dumb enough to even think this way. "Liberals", whatever that even means these days, have so much more to worry about.

How would this even help anything???
 
cajunrevenge said:
I just think it's silly all these groups seem to be competing over who the biggest victims of a Trump presidency are going to be. It's like the victim olympics. Who was the last Republican President who wasn't treated as Hitler reincarnated before he even took office?
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I tend to think that, even if Trump himself isn't so different from his Republican predecessors, there are elements amongst his support-base that are markedly different than those of past Republican Presidents; and that, moreover, some of those elements are more expressly (as opposed to accidentally or euphemistically) motivated by strains of bigotry. But you're right in one key respect, and that is in highlighting the political problem of crying wolf whenever something doesn't go your way: nobody really cares to listen if and when a wolf is at your door.

I'm not saying that Trump is that wolf. I'm still actively evaluating an individual who hasn't even taken office yet—though he's already done some things both discouraging (nominating Sessions, DeVos) and encouraging (breaking with congressional Republicans on his stated goals for healthcare, ie actually improving upon the ACA, as opposed to simply repealing it in a way that generates the least amount of heat for the repealers). But to twist one of my favorite Reagan-era political advertisements: you want to prepared to identify and combat a wolf, if there is a wolf. Calling every political opponent "literal Hitler" achieves only disservice to that goal.
 
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