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CJ9 said:
I have no idea what's wrong with him, but to blame it on lacking mental toughness is strange, among many other things.
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It's the easiest way for fans to explain a player's struggles, and for whatever reason, it's more often used as a rationale in baseball than any other sport.

I'm a Mississippi State fan, and it's the same thing with MSU baseball...if a highly touted player struggles for a stretch of time, even if young and inexperienced, then they 'lack mental fortitude'. If another, less highly touted player outperforms their expected production, even if for a short time, they are mentally tough. It's pretty dumb, really.

Teheran is struggling on the road badly; that is obvious. We can't trade him now when his value is at its lowest. He is almost sure to come out of this and pitch much better, and when he does, we can then have a discussion about whether he should be moved.
 
I never gave up on Julio. I just have been worried about his long term health because of his mechanics. There's a reason Wren and Co. Tried to alter his delivery in the minors. He's going to have shoulder problems like Hanson.
 
CJ9 said:
I have no idea what's wrong with him, but to blame it on lacking mental toughness is strange, among many other things.
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I don't know what else to call it. If there is a better term for letting misfortunes out of your control effect your start let me know one.
 
Julio3000 said:
He got blown up twice last year. Twice in 33 starts. Those are some pretty short stretches of disaster.
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Shhhh Julio3000. Surely that doesn't count and he's trash this year. Whatever people. There is something wrong. I haven't liked his body language much at all this year and he's always been kinda demonstrative. When he misses and is not aggressive, he's been punished. He's the trade flavor of the year, but I'm in the boat that says he's not just a 3 in the rotation. Of course he's got to correct his issues, but I still believe.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Yes...I would say Miller and Wood are 1 and 2, wouldn't you?
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Girl, please. Wood has to put up some more numbers before claiming that spot. And one team's 3 could be anywhere from 1-4 on another team. So . . . "at best a 3" is still a reach.
 
And, for the record, I think there is definitely something off with JT this year.

"Mental toughness" is just a lazy person's cop-out, though.
 
JT is just hittable for some reason. I think his changeup was the big difference maker in the minors and it hasn't quite had the same effect in the majors. Even his really good 2 year period, his ERA did not match his peripherals. He's young enough that it would be dumb to completely write him off, but I don't think completely throwing out 2015 is the right thing either.

I'm in the minority, but I think Wood is our best starting pitcher.
 
Julio3000 said:
Girl, please. Wood has to put up some more numbers before claiming that spot. And one team's 3 could be anywhere from 1-4 on another team. So . . . "at best a 3" is still a reach.
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Let me put it this way, all that really matters is how a guy is performing in that particular year. You need to take your homer glasses off. Even calling him a three based off just this year's performance is being kind. Act like a grown up, I know it's hard but you can do it...
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Let me put it this way, all that really matters is how a guy is performing in that particular year. You need to take your homer glasses off. Even calling him a three based off just this year's performance is being kind. Act like a grown up, I know it's hard but you can do it...
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Douchey post.
 
so you guys who think Julio is talented and "for some reason" isn't pitching up to that talent, what is McDowell's role in all this?

McDowell doesn't seem to be producing results in line with his lofty reputation. Has anyone on the Braves pitched better than last year?
 
Is his velocity down? Maybe he's just having a bad year. Hudson's second year with us was awful.

My memory sucks but didn't Teheran start the season fairly decent until he had some sort of injury part way through a game? I recall him trying to pitch through it and he went from pitching a solid game to giving up run after run and hasn't really stopped since.
 
Tapate50 said:
That doesn't make him a three. He was a borderline Ace for his first 200 innings. So this is the version you give more weight?
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He's been pretty good until this year. This year he has yo-yo'd from good to bad. My comments were to say that you trade him when he's good if you are going to trade him.

With that said, I certainly DON'T agree that he is anywhere near ACE quality right now or ever before. Just having a good era doesn't make you an ace. When John Burkett led Atlanta in era in 2001 he was not the ace (Maddux) nor an ACE. He was just a good pitcher having a great year.

An Ace is a pitcher that other teams fear, that other teams don't want to face. An ace is a pitcher with at least one dominating pitch. Teheran isn't that and has never been that and likely will never be that which makes him a #2 or #3, more likely a #3 on a good team. That's OK. Every team needs a good #2 or #3. But, those guys are replaceable if necessary while an ACE generally isn't.
 
ESP47 said:
Is his velocity down? Maybe he's just having a bad year. Hudson's second year with us was awful.

My memory sucks but didn't Teheran start the season fairly decent until he had some sort of injury part way through a game? I recall him trying to pitch through it and he went from pitching a solid game to giving up run after run and hasn't really stopped since.
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His walks are up by 1.5 per game and he's throwing a lot of meatballs. I think he's getting behind and then grooving pitches.
 
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