Keith Law's Top 100 Prospect Rankings

Are we sure Demeritte is not on this list? AFL performance was pretty notable.
 
striker42 said:
I've watched a good bit of video on Newcomb and his walks look to be related to his mechanics getting out of whack. He'll cruise for several innings, his delivery will look absolutely smooth, and he'll be hitting the catcher's glove. Then suddenly things will get out of sync for some reason, he loses his release point, and he starts walking the world. It reminds me of a young Kimbrel in that respect.

Mike Scocia got to see him in ST one year and agrees about him losing his release point. ""He needs some refinement," Scioscia said. "He has to find his release point. Part of it is, 'How do you get back in sync when you lose it?' There's a lot of things in a pitcher's progression that he needs to figure out.""

http://m.angels.mlb.com/news/articl...rospect-sean-newcomb-among-seven-angels-cuts/

Considering Newcomb's relative inexperience at the position, it's not surprising he'd still have points where he gets out of sync and loses his release point. The good thing is that's something that should get better with experience.
Click to expand...

It's certainly confusing how a big bodied left handed pitcher who doesn't allow home runs or hits while strikin out more than a batter per inning is not talked about more.
 
rico43 said:
Are we sure Demeritte is not on this list? AFL performance was pretty notable.
Click to expand...

Extemely doubtful and I don't think he deserves it right now. Contact issues are huge detriments to a hitters success. I want guys with relatively low strikeout rates in the minors
 
Yeah, I don't see any way Demeritte is higher than guys like Fried, Anderson, Maitan, Newcomb, etc. I think he's about 12-15 in our system right now.
 
striker42 said:
I've watched a good bit of video on Newcomb and his walks look to be related to his mechanics getting out of whack. He'll cruise for several innings, his delivery will look absolutely smooth, and he'll be hitting the catcher's glove. Then suddenly things will get out of sync for some reason, he loses his release point, and he starts walking the world. It reminds me of a young Kimbrel in that respect.

Mike Scocia got to see him in ST one year and agrees about him losing his release point. ""He needs some refinement," Scioscia said. "He has to find his release point. Part of it is, 'How do you get back in sync when you lose it?' There's a lot of things in a pitcher's progression that he needs to figure out.""

http://m.angels.mlb.com/news/articl...rospect-sean-newcomb-among-seven-angels-cuts/

Considering Newcomb's relative inexperience at the position, it's not surprising he'd still have points where he gets out of sync and loses his release point. The good thing is that's something that should get better with experience.
Click to expand...

opposite of most of what I've read and what Klaw said. He said he couldn't see any changes to make.

The road to ATL podcast had the announcer from his minor team and he made it sound like he got board in the middle the game.
 
thethe said:
It's certainly confusing how a big bodied left handed pitcher who doesn't allow home runs or hits while strikin out more than a batter per inning is not talked about more.
Click to expand...

I really don't think its that confusing; he walked 71 in 140 innings as a 22 year-old in AA.

I like a lot about Newcomb, the strikeouts, how he finished the season, the stuff but he does need to get his walks lower and even then; its not like Law is killing the guy - he still has him as a top-100 prospect.
 
Its an interesting list; I would have Maitan lower, I don't know if either is on the list but I prefer Soroka > Touki (I imagine neither make it).
 
Preacher said:
I really don't think its that confusing; he walked 71 in 140 innings as a 22 year-old in AA.

I like a lot about Newcomb, the strikeouts, how he finished the season, the stuff but he does need to get his walks lower and even then; its not like Law is killing the guy - he still has him as a top-100 prospect.
Click to expand...

Agree that he's not killing him.

I think thethe's point is that:
1. 22 is not that old for AA....What is the avg age, 22-23?
2. He's a big guy and they tend to take longer
3. He's a lefty and they tend to take longer
4. He's a cold weather guy with less innings and they tend to take longer
5. He's a combo of 2-4.

walking 4-5 per 9 is not good.
I don't watch those games. I don't know if he's got bad umps or he's throwing it to the backstop. I don't know if guys are going deep into counts with him b/c they can't hit him and are just trying to work walks. I don't know anything.

But Go Hard being before him is confusing. Go Hard seems to be the same guy just younger and with a rumored shoulder issue. I know younger is often better on these lists but he's also been at lower levels of the minors.
 
Russ2dollas said:
opposite of most of what I've read and what Klaw said. He said he couldn't see any changes to make.

The road to ATL podcast had the announcer from his minor team and he made it sound like he got board in the middle the game.
Click to expand...

Newcomb's walks tended to come in bunches. He'd just lose his release point and not be able to hit anything.

I can understand KLaw saying he doesn't see any obvious changes because when Newcomb is repeating his delivery with a consistent release point, he's fine. His motion is simple and smooth. There's nothing you'd want to change. It's just getting his mechanics and release point consistent. That takes reps.
 
mqt said:
If I remember correctly, Klaw is still skeptical about TD given his high strikeout rate.
Click to expand...

IIRC Klaw called him a flawed prospect. Said that we did great to get him for nothing but the K rate was a big time concern. That was before AFL.

Klaw does prefer upside. And he loves to stick it to Dave Stewart. So I can see Touki up there. Touki did great late, but that could be turning a corner or SSS.

I like both, but I'm higher on Soroka. I just think Soroka's floor is an avg starting pitcher in MLB. And I think he could be really good pitcher, especially if by the time he gets up we have defenders closer to Ender, Swanson, Albies than Kemp and Garcia.
 
striker42 said:
Newcomb's walks tended to come in bunches. He'd just lose his release point and not be able to hit anything.

I can understand KLaw saying he doesn't see any obvious changes because when Newcomb is repeating his delivery with a consistent release point, he's fine. His motion is simple and smooth. There's nothing you'd want to change. It's just getting his mechanics and release point consistent. That takes reps.
Click to expand...
Sometimes I play resident expert and I'm not. MY EYEBALL...the post above is almost spot on. However, I'm a NEWK fan through and through. I didn't see anybody including Allard, Soroka, Wiegel last year that had consistent "you can't hit me stuff" more than Newk. I'm serious. The walks are notable and you can't ignore them. However, when batters did touch the ball when he threw strikes, their contact was weak. Very weak. IF he figures it out, the conversation is much different.

I saw Rome a lot last year. And I saw MS a few times. I think Newk is suffering from prospect fatigue and the walks. If it weren't for that, he'd be our top lefty with an argument for Allard.
 
I still find it very fun that these are the conversations we're having about what is likely our 10th ranked prospect on a national list.
 
Deester11 said:
Sometimes I play resident expert and I'm not. MY EYEBALL...the post above is almost spot on. However, I'm a NEWK fan through and through. I didn't see anybody including Allard, Soroka, Wiegel last year that had consistent "you can't hit me stuff" more than Newk. I'm serious. The walks are notable and you can't ignore them. However, when batters did touch the ball when he threw strikes, their contact was weak. Very weak. IF he figures it out, the conversation is much different.

I saw Rome a lot last year. And I saw MS a few times. I think Newk is suffering from prospect fatigue and the walks. If it weren't for that, he'd be our top lefty with an argument for Allard.
Click to expand...

That's the thing. Outside of watching him pitch the analysis is pretty easy for me. What's his size and are guys getting hits off of him. His batting average against indicates that guys just can't barrel up the ball on him at all.

It's a great indicator of future success in my opinion.
 
mqt said:
I still find it very fun that these are the conversations we're having about what is likely our 10th ranked prospect on a national list.
Click to expand...

The super front office did an incredible job.

The criticism has been they went for quantity over quality but if you look at guys like swanson/newcomb/fried/etc... you'll see the braves were able to accomplish both.
 
Remember Blair was top 40 last year on this list and Jenkins made the just missed list.

Also Ellis and Sims were both top 100 at some point for Law. It's not a guarantee of any future value.

Just re-read Klaw's last year's list (Touki on it at 80) and it's amazing Blair then vs Blair now.
 
thethe said:
The super front office did an incredible job.

The criticism has been they went for quantity over quality but if you look at guys like swanson/newcomb/fried/etc... you'll see the braves were able to accomplish both.
Click to expand...

I think the quantity over quality argument is simply a dated one that some clutched to for too long. We had a lot of low level talent that is starting to advance, and have continued to fill the pipeline with more high upside young talent.
 
thethe said:
The super front office did an incredible job.

The criticism has been they went for quantity over quality but if you look at guys like swanson/newcomb/fried/etc... you'll see the braves were able to accomplish both.
Click to expand...

Agree, I don't think the Braves ever said 'we are just going after quantity' there were deals they got more quantity and deals they got more quality -- and in some cases they did both. The FO did a great job up to this point.
 
One game does not a turnaround make, but I watched with awe Aaron Blair's final start against as desperate Detroit team that was not yet eliminated from the playoffs. Blair's line: 6 innings, 4 hits, 2 runs, 1 walk, 10 (count 'em) strikeouts. Despite the big strikeout total, he threw only 85 pitches.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top