Ken Ham believes in Dragons...
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Gary82
Called Up to the Major Leagues
like what?
Gary82
Called Up to the Major Leagues
nothing went boom. it's a terrible description of what really happened.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Big bang of what exactly?
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Nice, you don't have an answer.
Gary82
Called Up to the Major Leagues
if you want answers. look for them yourself. i have other plans.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
I don't think you can answer actually.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Only one sounds like a fundamentalist.
Not to my ears.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
are you saying Tom Foreman is a fundamentalist?
cause if you are saying Bill Nye is a fundamentalist
that is just silly
not as silly as thinking humans and dinos and dragons lived together
but almost
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
You are projecting.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Both sides have their own agenda guys, sure you've noticed this. Bible experts tend to say the Bible explains everything (I this is painting with a broad brush Bedell but it's necessary in this case) and it just doesn't and I don't think it's supposed to. This is one area where creationists allow themselves to fall into the trap of "Well God just says so...." God didn't give us all those answers, at least in my opinion he didn't. To me this whole dragon and/or dinosaur thing and early men riding dinosaurs is just silly, it's trying to squeeze everything together into the whole 6 days to create everything philosophy, which IMO just makes Christians look foolish. It's kind of like the Warren Commission deciding before they left for Dallas that Lee Harvey DID act alone and then they just went down there looking for evidence that backed up their end game decision and destroyed or ignored any evidence that didn't support them. It's as if the old spirit of the Catholic Church from Galileo's day is still alive and busy trying to fit everything into its own neat little parameters of everything.
On the other side, science has so much going for it, but that isn't enough apparently. If you go back to the Big Bang, even if all that is correct it doesn't say where the original ingredients that "went bang" came from, does it? Where did those first two (or however many there were) things come from that went bang? Science can't explain that just like they can't explain a lot of other things, so their convenient catch phrase is, "well it happened millions or billions of years ago" line which explains it well enough and is much more of a "well you can't prove I"m wrong" response as anything from the Christian side. Also, why do some science guys choose to try and make old skulls look more ape-like by popping the jaw bone out of its place and "arranging the pieces" to make it look so? Why did they have to change BC (before Christ) to BCE (before the common era)?? Was this done for any reason other than to just remove any religious reference from the world or at least from their world? They didn't even change any of the date references, just the definitions of the letters and what they stand for. Christ existed, he lived and died, this is fact, the Romans, among others kept records. The question from a religious/faith standpoint is what happened after he died. I leave that up to the religious world. It IS a matter of faith, IMO.
Being in the education field I have learned a lot about science, at least the building blocks parts, not the high level theory, I don't need to know that and once you get up there, that's when the finagling of data takes place, to try to prove a point, rather than to try and prove what really happened. Oh and Goldy, do you REALLY think scientists are any more likely to say "we don't know" about anything than Christians are??? Seriously??? They might if it were something trivial or not pertaining to the direct argument of God created vs. It just happened, but it's in those areas you couldn't get them to admit they didn't absolutely didn't know one fact of any sort if you waterboarded them.
I am a firm believer in "evolution" just not a Godless evolution. It may seem silly to you that there's some creator up there somewhere who I can't see yet I still believe in, but how much sillier is it to believe it all just happened, all by itself, we don't know when exactly, we don't know how exactly, and we sure don't know why, "IT JUST HAPPENED", and we don't even know where the stuff that caused it to happen, or what the its were specifically, or what there was before that, or why we're even here, it's all one glorious accident, yeah that doesn't take faith.
You know, ironically Governor John Winthrop's philosophies on Calvinism are also relevant to this discussion as well and Anne Hutchinson's responses shot them to hell.
On the other side, science has so much going for it, but that isn't enough apparently. If you go back to the Big Bang, even if all that is correct it doesn't say where the original ingredients that "went bang" came from, does it? Where did those first two (or however many there were) things come from that went bang? Science can't explain that just like they can't explain a lot of other things, so their convenient catch phrase is, "well it happened millions or billions of years ago" line which explains it well enough and is much more of a "well you can't prove I"m wrong" response as anything from the Christian side. Also, why do some science guys choose to try and make old skulls look more ape-like by popping the jaw bone out of its place and "arranging the pieces" to make it look so? Why did they have to change BC (before Christ) to BCE (before the common era)?? Was this done for any reason other than to just remove any religious reference from the world or at least from their world? They didn't even change any of the date references, just the definitions of the letters and what they stand for. Christ existed, he lived and died, this is fact, the Romans, among others kept records. The question from a religious/faith standpoint is what happened after he died. I leave that up to the religious world. It IS a matter of faith, IMO.
Being in the education field I have learned a lot about science, at least the building blocks parts, not the high level theory, I don't need to know that and once you get up there, that's when the finagling of data takes place, to try to prove a point, rather than to try and prove what really happened. Oh and Goldy, do you REALLY think scientists are any more likely to say "we don't know" about anything than Christians are??? Seriously??? They might if it were something trivial or not pertaining to the direct argument of God created vs. It just happened, but it's in those areas you couldn't get them to admit they didn't absolutely didn't know one fact of any sort if you waterboarded them.
I am a firm believer in "evolution" just not a Godless evolution. It may seem silly to you that there's some creator up there somewhere who I can't see yet I still believe in, but how much sillier is it to believe it all just happened, all by itself, we don't know when exactly, we don't know how exactly, and we sure don't know why, "IT JUST HAPPENED", and we don't even know where the stuff that caused it to happen, or what the its were specifically, or what there was before that, or why we're even here, it's all one glorious accident, yeah that doesn't take faith.
You know, ironically Governor John Winthrop's philosophies on Calvinism are also relevant to this discussion as well and Anne Hutchinson's responses shot them to hell.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
They might to each other, but they're just as hard headed as any religious person once we get closer to the "money" areas of the argument. I think you're giving the hard core science folks a little too much credit for open mindedness.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
"We should not be ashamed of not having answers to all questions yet. ... I'm perfectly happy staring somebody in the face saying, 'I don't know yet, and we've got top people working on it.' The moment you feel compelled to provide an answer, then you're doing the same thing that the religious community does: providing answers to every possible question." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I don't see anything wrong with this particular statement, because I don't think any side has all the answers if you want to break it down into very fine details. I've heard Mr. Tyson, who is very intelligent and very well spoken generally speaking and he has a lot of good quotes like this one, but check out some of his references to religion, God, etc., and see if those sound very open minded. Mr. Tyson has an agenda too.