Kimbrel traded to Red Sox

bravesfanMatt said:
you are looking at this in a vacuum. you can't do that. the freed money from BJ's contract allowed us to buy Tuki.. it also allowed us to dump CJ for Bourn/Swisher and take on that money to free up money GOING into 17. There is more moves to be made and this financial freedom will allow more flexibility to wheel and deal.
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Not really true. We took on Maybin and Quentin for 2015 which equaled out BJ. The whole issue was getting his salary off the books for the magical 2017.
 
When discussing the money we saved in our Kimbrel deal, remember that we won't have a complete picture of what we used our savings on until July 2nd. If we completely and totally break the bank in IFA, then moving all that money from Upton's deal does become a long term move.
 
thewupk said:
Not really true. We took on Maybin and Quentin for 2015 which equaled out BJ. The whole issue was getting his salary off the books for the magical 2017.
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OK. The Maybin and Quentin money leveled out the B. J./Melvin money in 2015.

The Kimbrel money bought Toussaint.
 
clvclv said:
OK. The Maybin and Quentin money leveled out the B. J./Melvin money in 2015.

The Kimbrel money bought Toussaint.
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As someone above mentioned we couldnt have signed Marky Mark. Also didn't the Dodgers pick up some of Arroyos contract?
 
thewupk said:
As someone above mentioned we couldnt have signed Marky Mark. Also didn't the Dodgers pick up some of Arroyos contract?
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I tried to keep all of the dollars and where they went (in my mind at least) straight for a while, but it finally got too complicated without writing it all down somewhere. Afraid we'd have to go back transaction-by-transaction to get it right at this point. The money we ate never surpassed what was traded away for the longest time, but I kinda lost my grasp on it by the time the Olivera deal happened, so I'm not sure exactly how it all shakes out in the end. I'm sure it's still pretty close overall.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
wow, what an overpay for a closer. don't get me wrong, I love Craig. He is awesome.. But what is the win difference between a good closer and a great closer. 4 maybe 5 wins.. I know that can be a lot of wins when in a tight race, but to give up 4 prospects and one of them being a #25 overall prospect is a huge package to send over for 5 more wins.

and I don't even want to compare this to our return for Kimbrel. We did very very good.. different circumstances and different situations..
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The difference between a good closer and a great closer isn't even close to 4-5 wins. A guy like Kimrel is worth 2-3 wins over a replacement player. So over a good closer, he's probably worth 1 win, maybe 2.

If he was worth 5 wins, the deal would be totally worth it. 5 extra wins is huge. But for a couple wins at most, it's too much.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
this message board couldn't handle it if the Braves spent 20+ million on more pitching.. it would collapse in on it self creating a black hole in the internet that could destroy everything online as we know it...
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I could handle it if this organization as a whole showed a commitment to winning like it once had.
 
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