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https://www.washingtonpost.com/docu...91e2-49c96f54696b.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4



Here is the ruling. The court does not rule on weigh in on whether his actions were official acts or not. They divide official acts between discretionary and ministerial and rules that a President does not have discretionary authority to violate federal laws. They rule against his argument that potential post-Presidency charges would have a chilling effect on Presidents willingness to act because criminal charges are specifically mentioned as a possibility for any President that is impeached and removed, thus the possibility was always there for post Presidency criminal charges for acts while President. They cite the pardon of Nixon by Ford as admitting he could have been criminally charged. They cited Clintons agreement to sanctions with the Independent counsel for an agreement he wouldnt be prosecuted after leaving office for perjury. And they even cite Trumps impeachment defense in 2021 which said the appropriate course of action was criminal charges and not an impeachment. LOLOLOLOLOL. The court says a President knowing he can be charged for breaking federal law is a benefit to the country as it incentivizes them to obey the law. The court disagrees a former President could be subject to political prosecution citing that it has never happened before in our long history, that prosecutors are obligated to act ethically, and that the grand jury/probably cause element protects against it.





"And during President Trump’s 2021 impeachment proceedings for incitement of insurrection, his counsel argued that instead of post-Presidency impeachment, the appropriate vehicle for “investigation, prosecution, and punishment” is “the article III courts,” as [w]e have a judicial process” and “an investigative process . . . to which no former officeholder is immune.”



So Trump when impeached "You cant impeach if I committed a crime it should be handled in criminal courts" Then Trump once criminally charged "You cant charge me with a crime it should be handled by impeachment".
 
If it makes very poorly chosen one and his supporters feel better it should be noted that RFK Jr also has no immunity.
 
LOL! Every republican presidency can expect lawfare after they get out of office starting with Trump in 2028 if he's elected with a DC court ready to jail him.

This is God awful and something I would expect from a DC Court.

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It would be interesting if the courts greenlighted Biden and Harris having impunity if they take extraconstitutional measures to remain in power. After all there is a national emergency on the southern border that can only be dealt with if they hold on to power.
 
It would be interesting if the courts greenlighted Biden and Harris having impunity if they take extraconstitutional measures to remain in power. After all there is a national emergency on the southern border that can only be dealt with if they hold on to power.

The crisis they caused starting with actions on January 21st, 2021?
 
However he votes on the disqualification clause case, I want to express my appreciation for Alito referring to the former president as the former president.
 
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I was kinda hoping his lawyer would describe it as a patriotic expression of love for our great country or a setup/inside job by the FBI/deep state.
 
You mean the police that set off the riot by firing projectiles into a crowd just standing there? Do I need to show the video again? However, two wrongs don't make it right. You can't bash the cops in retaliation.
 
Listening to the oral arguments in the Trump DQ case. Trump's own lawyers admit that everything else ok the 14th amendment is self executing ......
 
Listening to the oral arguments in the Trump DQ case. Trump's own lawyers admit that everything else ok the 14th amendment is self executing ......

Those seeking Trump’s removal from the ballot say the 14th Amendment automatically disqualifies insurrectionists from holding positions of federal power, which means there is no requirement for an act of Congress to make it happen. States can simply enforce it at their discretion. Under this reading, the insurrection clause is “self-executing,” meaning it's enforceable without an explicit authorizing federal statute.

Trump’s team calls this a recipe for chaos, as each state could level subjective definitions of what constitutes an insurrection — and what it means to “engage” in it. Trump argues that it takes an act of Congress to throw a candidate off the ballot under the insurrection clause — and Congress, of course, has not done so with Trump.
 
You mean the police that set off the riot by firing projectiles into a crowd just standing there? Do I need to show the video again? However, two wrongs don't make it right. You can't bash the cops in retaliation.

What a Wild world we live in, where Right Wingers are attacking cops for inciting a riot. Not even a year after they defended people doing it during the George FLoyd protests.
 
This is how nutty all of this is.

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It also brings up the concept of presidential immunity. When Trump crushes it in November they should throw Biden in jail for facilitating an invasion of our country.
 
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