Legal/scotus thread

Julio3000 said:
To answer your question, I do think he assaulted Ford, I find the Ramirez accusation and its contemporaneous corroboration credible, and no,I do not think he ran rape rings.

Why? First, because a victim statements are evidence, and any passing familiarity with the dynamic of unreported sexual assaults should be able to understand why something like this may stay buried for years. I found Blasey-Ford a credible witness, and Kavanaugh the opposite. His numerous evasions and lies about his habits were simply not credible, and there’s a good case to be made that he lied his ass off about his tenure in the Bush WH. So, all in all, not a guy whom I’m automatically going to take at his word, considering that we’re not talking about courtroom standards of evidence here.
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And what of Fords lifelong friend who stated that the story isn't credible? How do you weight that?
 
There is literally zero evidence to support Fords account other than her accusation, which you say counts as evidence.

But you dont believe the gang rape story... I suppose bc we dont count the accusers accusation as evidence?

How can we call accuser accounts as evidence when we have countless examples of accusers lying? There needs to be.... something, right?

Having a hard time squaring that away, to be honest. But I appreciate the answer, at least
 
Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein


Anyone who thinks the Kavanaugh story ends with the vote

tomorrow is very wrong. There will be more stories, more

corroborating witnesses, more pieces by @RonanFarrow
@JaneMayerNYer

At some point, we will see emails/texts among and between

the FBI, the White House and the Senate

6:10 PM · Oct 5, 2018·
 
sturg33 said:
There is literally zero evidence to support Fords account other than her accusation, which you say counts as evidence.

But you dont believe the gang rape story... I suppose bc we dont count the accusers accusation as evidence?

How can we call accuser accounts as evidence when we have countless examples of accusers lying? There needs to be.... something, right?

Having a hard time squaring that away, to be honest. But I appreciate the answer, at least
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The accusers' testimony would be evidence. The problem is Kavanaugh's testimony is evidence too. So it's a matter of credibility.

The problem here is we have no reason to believe anyone. Everyone has partisan motivations, monetary motivations, has zero credibility or is being used as a pawn.

So what do we do? We tend to assign credibility based on whether it confirms our bias. If you don't like Kavanaugh's politics, you'll find his accusers more credible and if you do like his politics, you'll find his accusers less credible.
 
57Brave said:
Norman Ornstein
@NormOrnstein


Anyone who thinks the Kavanaugh story ends with the vote

tomorrow is very wrong. There will be more stories, more

corroborating witnesses, more pieces by @RonanFarrow
@JaneMayerNYer

At some point, we will see emails/texts among and between

the FBI, the White House and the Senate

6:10 PM · Oct 5, 2018·
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12 years from now someone will get a big enough offer to lie
 
If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
 
Runnin said:
If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
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Absurd - Maybe he doesn't want the story to be out to save his family from unnecessary shame due to reckless false accusations.
 
Just so happens that the person who resurfaced this allegation is a clinton lawyer because...why not
 
Julio3000 said:
To answer your question, I do think he assaulted Ford, I find the Ramirez accusation and its contemporaneous corroboration credible, and no,I do not think he ran rape rings.

Why? First, because a victim statements are evidence, and any passing familiarity with the dynamic of unreported sexual assaults should be able to understand why something like this may stay buried for years. I found Blasey-Ford a credible witness, and Kavanaugh the opposite. His numerous evasions and lies about his habits were simply not credible, and there’s a good case to be made that he lied his ass off about his tenure in the Bush WH. So, all in all, not a guy whom I’m automatically going to take at his word, considering that we’re not talking about courtroom standards of evidence here.
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One question you failed to answer was why the NYT ommited that seemingly relevant detail?
 
Runnin said:
If he's innocent he should sue the NYT. If he's hiding embarrassing episodes from his past that paint him as less than, he won't want to sue.
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He might also not want to sue because as a public figure he'd have to prove actual malice, an almost impossible burden.
 
sturg33 said:
Lol

Read his book.

Maybe he should sue himself to clear his name
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Trying coke a few times doesn't make you "a coke head".


"I was lucky that I did not get addicted except to cigarettes which took me a long time to kick. But it does seem as if the speed in which you can get hooked on opiate-based medicines is fierce," the president said.
 
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