Legal/scotus thread
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sturg33
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I guess this was too ambitious
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
No it's just retreading an argument that's been had here before.
Here's a hint. There's no jail time if you refuse to get vaccinated.
sturg33
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Lol this is your argument?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It's one of about a dozen any sane person who can think rationally could come up with.
sturg33
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Well, ignoring the tens of thousands of people who were fired for not taking the jab, most notably federal employees....
The question is about the bodily autonomy argument. So how does one reconcile NOT supporting bodily autonomy with the jab, but uses bodily autonomy as the sacrament argument for abortion
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
In my view both abortion and vaccine mandates are issues that involve competing interests.
In the case of vaccine mandates for a deadly and contagious disease that has killed millions the competing interests are public health, including the need to reduce contagion, and individual autonomy (muh rights).
In the case of abortion, I think there are obvious competing interests between a woman's rights over her body and those of the fetus. And it also seems obvious to me that the weight attached to the latter grows during the course of a pregnancy.
Both issues imo that should be squarely in the realm of the body politic for voters and their elected representatives to make policy. I don't see any absolutes with either issue. Others may see absolutes, but for me they are just not there. Instead I see them both as issues involving competing interests.
In the case of vaccine mandates for a deadly and contagious disease that has killed millions the competing interests are public health, including the need to reduce contagion, and individual autonomy (muh rights).
In the case of abortion, I think there are obvious competing interests between a woman's rights over her body and those of the fetus. And it also seems obvious to me that the weight attached to the latter grows during the course of a pregnancy.
Both issues imo that should be squarely in the realm of the body politic for voters and their elected representatives to make policy. I don't see any absolutes with either issue. Others may see absolutes, but for me they are just not there. Instead I see them both as issues involving competing interests.
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Of course I support vaccine mandates. They are hardly new, having existed for decades for school children, the military, and at hospitals. We're lucky the lunacy of folk libertarianism wasn't in full flower at the time those vaccine mandates were implemented (without much of a fuss).
As for abortion, I just said there are competing interests. Which means a woman's right to bodily autonomy is not absolute. I support letting different states implement policies that they judge best for themselves.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Find me peopel who lost their job because they couldn't get the vaccine because it was dangerous to their health.
sturg33
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It's not lost on that you to continue to run away from the actual question
It's clear you only support bodily autonomy when you agree with the politics of it
sturg33
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I need those stats on all the dead mothers in Europe who has much stricter abortion access than what the US will have.
This is yet another "the world is gonna end in 12 years"... "Net neutrality is the end of the internet"... "Lifting mask mandates on planes will kill us all"
The left lives in a fantasy land
This is yet another "the world is gonna end in 12 years"... "Net neutrality is the end of the internet"... "Lifting mask mandates on planes will kill us all"
The left lives in a fantasy land
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Life is precious. If I thought getting vaccinated or wearing a mask might save a few, I'd regard that as a no brainer. Muh rights notwithstanding.
sturg33
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Yeah we know love.mandating useless crap on people who do t want or need them
But my decision to not put a useless vax into my body does not kill anyone.
The decision to abort a child has a 100% murder rate