Legalize it

[yeezus]

It's absolutely relevant to any conversation about legalizing weed. It's an intoxicating drug that will have to be regulated like alcohol.

Legalization will probably be hard on pot heads who now get away with being high all the time because 1- a lot of people can't tell, and 2 -no one wants to turn them in. But what will happen when everyone can spot someone who's high? Just like it's really hard to get away with drinking a few beers at lunch, it's gonna be tougher to be secretly high once everyone becomes familiar with it.

Sooooo...?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, regulate it like alcohol. Just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean pilots and teachers do their jobs wasted. What makes weed different? Also, it's irrelevant because no one said otherwise. No one said "screw it let pilots smoke bongs in the cockpit."

I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I don't know anyone who's "high all the time." Obviously there are people out there who smoke constantly, but let's not act like everyone that smokes weed does it all day, every day, regardless of any responsibilities they have. It's very far from the truth.

 

[yeezus]

I'm going to write a book. It's going to be called "Take some god damn control over yourself". Here's a quick synopsis of it. There is such a thing in this world called a "brain" that does exactly what weed does in your case. Except it's free, healthy and doesn't impair you in any way. So if you're trying to sleep but you can't because you keep thinking about some other problem, you use this "brain" thing to shut that other junk out. Most of the people in the world can already attest to doing this and it works wonders. No drugs needed, just a little self control. People far too often try and use weed as a crutch when in fact they are just mentally lazy and it's easier to sit around and smoke or drink rather than internally work out their own problems. It's called self medicating and normally it isn't healthy and definitely does not fix the root of your problem.

LOL so are you saying RX drugs shouldn't exist?
People take pills for anxiety. People take pills to sleep. People take pills for depression. Should someone who's depressed just "mentally work it out"? That's extremely stupid and ignorant. I choose weed (occasionally) over pills. I don't have severe problems, my life is good and I'm very happy. But, when I'm a little stressed and can't sleep and have to be up early (which makes trying to sleep worse) I'll use it knock me out. I fail to see what's wrong with that. I'm not high all day. When problems in my life arise I don't just smoke and shut them out, and for you to assume so by saying I use weed as a "crutch." Nope, just replaces sleeping pills that have bad side effects. Thanks for your concern, keep up the ignorance.

 

[yeezus]

Obviously you aren't, as I said multiple times "I get your point."

But if something is illegal and you continue to do it, then that in fact is your own fault that you were stupid enough to do it and get caught. If you read my first post in this thread, I said I think it should be legal.

It's sad that we're just supposed to accept extremely unfair laws.

 

[yeezus]

And I still welcome someone to make a case against legalization.

 

[Carp]

It's sad that we're just supposed to accept extremely unfair laws.

Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

 

[goldfly]

Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

actually, that is a really good way to change a law sometimes

 

[yeezus]

Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

I'd like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law.

 

[ESP47]

LOL so are you saying RX drugs shouldn't exist?
People take pills for anxiety. People take pills to sleep. People take pills for depression. Should someone who's depressed just "mentally work it out"? That's extremely stupid and ignorant. I choose weed (occasionally) over pills. I don't have severe problems, my life is good and I'm very happy. But, when I'm a little stressed and can't sleep and have to be up early (which makes trying to sleep worse) I'll use it knock me out. I fail to see what's wrong with that. I'm not high all day. When problems in my life arise I don't just smoke and shut them out, and for you to assume so by saying I use weed as a "crutch." Nope, just replaces sleeping pills that have bad side effects. Thanks for your concern, keep up the ignorance.

A lot of RX drugs are for bogus symptoms. There's a pill for everything whether it's needed or not. Dude you act like you're the only one who's had anxiety or been depressed or had trouble sleeping. That's every day crap that millions of people every day put up with without taking pills or smoking weed. Yeah you can mentally work out depression. Not everyone can because some cases are more severe than others but not everyone has to take a pill or smoke weed to cover the symptoms either.

I wouldn't have said anything but the way you come across on this subject reminds me of the stoner weed legalization crusaders from my high school. A lot of "I know a guy who's 55 who smokes weed every day and he's rich with a family!" or "weed is medicine because it helps with anxiety and sleeping!". Yeah it might have it's place in medicine but anxiety, depression and trouble sleeping are BS excuses to be smoking. It's just a way for pot heads to justify smoking weed.

This goes for anything, not just weed. It's like people who smoke cigarettes because it "calms their nerves". Your brain can calm your nerves too but that takes a little bit of effort while smoking takes little to none. Pills are the same way. Some people take pills because they really need them and others justify it with BS excuses like stress and low levels of anxiety. These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through. Yet for many doctors those are good enough excuses to get a bottle of pills every couple weeks.

 

[Carp]

I'd like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law.

Are you really going to ask when starting a movement ever changed the law? Have you ever taken US History at all in your life?

Womens rights movement, organized labor movement/unions, ***E rights....

 

[yeezus]

No, that's not at all what I asked. I asked when a "write your local politician" movement was more effective than a "break the stupid law until it changes" movement. I don't believe writing to a politician will change their mind, and there's no evidence that it will accomplish anything. Please learn to read and stop straw manning me.

 

[yeezus]

A lot of RX drugs are for bogus symptoms. There's a pill for everything whether it's needed or not. Dude you act like you're the only one who's had anxiety or been depressed or had trouble sleeping. That's every day crap that millions of people every day put up with without taking pills or smoking weed. Yeah you can mentally work out depression. Not everyone can because some cases are more severe than others but not everyone has to take a pill or smoke weed to cover the symptoms either.

I wouldn't have said anything but the way you come across on this subject reminds me of the stoner weed legalization crusaders from my high school. A lot of "I know a guy who's 55 who smokes weed every day and he's rich with a family!" or "weed is medicine because it helps with anxiety and sleeping!". Yeah it might have it's place in medicine but anxiety, depression and trouble sleeping are BS excuses to be smoking. It's just a way for pot heads to justify smoking weed.

This goes for anything, not just weed. It's like people who smoke cigarettes because it "calms their nerves". Your brain can calm your nerves too but that takes a little bit of effort while smoking takes little to none. Pills are the same way. Some people take pills because they really need them and others justify it with BS excuses like stress and low levels of anxiety. These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through. Yet for many doctors those are good enough excuses to get a bottle of pills every couple weeks.

Again, you just come across as very ignorant. For some people anxiety and depression (I'm not depressed, I used it as an example) are very real things that they can't "just work through." I've struggled with sleep since about 8th grade. Ill think about something little and when I'm trying to sleep, I make it a big deal. A doctor will just give me pills. I'd rather just smoke occasionally. I'm not a pothead. I don't smoke every day. In fact I went over a year without smoking simply because I don't want to. But when I'm at home at night with nothing to do, there's absolutely no reason someone should tell me I can't smoke, just like no on should tell someone not to have a few beers here and there. What is te difference?

I'm almost engaged, have a good job, will be graduating with an accounting degree soon. Weed has had no negative impact on my life (and I could EASILY argue positive). I don't blow tons of money on it. I'm never late for work bc of it and never smoke before work. I do it when it's night time and I need to wind down. Do I "need" it? Not at all. But...why not?

 

[ESP47]

Again, you just come across as very ignorant. For some people anxiety and depression (I'm not depressed, I used it as an example) are very real things that they can't "just work through." I've struggled with sleep since about 8th grade. Ill think about something little and when I'm trying to sleep, I make it a big deal. A doctor will just give me pills. I'd rather just smoke occasionally. I'm not a pothead. I don't smoke every day. In fact I went over a year without smoking simply because I don't want to. But when I'm at home at night with nothing to do, there's absolutely no reason someone should tell me I can't smoke, just like no on should tell someone not to have a few beers here and there. What is te difference?

I'm almost engaged, have a good job, will be graduating with an accounting degree soon. Weed has had no negative impact on my life (and I could EASILY argue positive). I don't blow tons of money on it. I'm never late for work bc of it and never smoke before work. I do it when it's night time and I need to wind down. Do I "need" it? Not at all. But...why not?

You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

I don't care if people want to just sit and smoke weed at home or whatever but don't try and use this bro science to justify why weed should be legal. I have no sympathy for people who act like they need weed because they can't sleep or need to wind down. Welcome to the real world. If you have problems, deal with them like an adult. Put your big boy pants on and leave weed where it belongs in high school.

 

[yeezus]

You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

I don't care if people want to just sit and smoke weed at home or whatever but don't try and use this bro science to justify why weed should be legal. I have no sympathy for people who act like they need weed because they can't sleep or need to wind down. Welcome to the real world. If you have problems, deal with them like an adult. Put your big boy pants on and leave weed where it belongs in high school.

So you mean to me :gasp: not EVERYONE is like YOU? Oooh the horror!

A lot of people can't put the anxiety of that test or other little anxieties out of Their head so easily. I've been trying to for years. If weed helps me do it and helps me sleep while having no negative impact on my life, who are you to tell ME it's not useful? You're also ignoring REAL science and doctors who back it for anxiety and relaxtion issues. You're you. Not everyone is, though. My life is great. Weed doesn't make it worse. And again you continue to say people use it instead of dealing with problems, which is not true at all. How else should I deal with a sleep problem? Just try and get over it? What's the point when weed is far more effective. Just stupid ignorance on your end.

And none of this is an argument against it being illegal. No one seems to want to make that case (they can't).

 

[Dalyn]

actually, that is a really good way to change a law sometimes

"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[jpx7]

These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through.

You don't just get to say that something is normal for everyone because you consider it "normal" for you.

You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

All hail your massively powerful brain, which is not only able to master everything in your own life but also dictate the norms and expectations for all other humans!

 

[yeezus]

Pretty much every life problem I have I deal with without the use of weed. You keep saying the same thing over and over when it doesn't apply. Not being able to sleep because I have to get up early and have trouble sleeping? Why not just use weed? Am I much better person for trying unsuccessfully to fight through it?

 

[yeezus]

You don't just get to say that something is normal for everyone because you consider it "normal" for you.

This is something people who don't have those problems sometimes just cannot grasp.

 

[ESP47]

So you mean to me :gasp: not EVERYONE is like YOU? Oooh the horror!

A lot of people can't put the anxiety of that test or other little anxieties out of Their head so easily. I've been trying to for years. If weed helps me do it and helps me sleep while having no negative impact on my life, who are you to tell ME it's not useful? You're also ignoring REAL science and doctors who back it for anxiety and relaxtion issues. You're you. Not everyone is, though. My life is great. Weed doesn't make it worse. And again you continue to say people use it instead of dealing with problems, which is not true at all. How else should I deal with a sleep problem? Just try and get over it? What's the point when weed is far more effective. Just stupid ignorance on your end.

And none of this is an argument against it being illegal. No one seems to want to make that case (they can't).

That's like saying "How else should I deal with a weight problem? Just try to exercise and eat right? What's the point when diet pills are much more effective?". I'm not the only one with this big powerful brain you guys speak of. Literally millions of people all over the planet have these big powerful brains because they get over life's little issues on their own without taking drugs of any kind. If you want to believe all the BS you see on tv and hear from people that you need to take a drug for every little "problem" you come across in life then that's your choice because it's your body. There are people out there with real issues and then there are people out there that have trouble getting to sleep every once in a while. These aren't real problems. That's everyday **** we all deal with. Man up and deal with it or go cry with one of your fellow sympathizers and talk about how mean I am for thinking someone who can't get to sleep every once in a while doesn't need medication.

Anyway I think weed should be legal even though I think it's dumb. I'm just giving you crap about it because you're like the chop country internet avenger of weed.

 

[gilesfan]

Its because simply saying I like to get high isn't enough of justification so it warps into I need it to relax, sleep, function, etc.

 

[jpx7]

Its because simply saying I like to get high isn't enough of justification so it warps into I need it to relax, sleep, function, etc.

Personally, I think it is enough justification, considering the very substantial list of negatives and downsides associated with current cannabis policy in the US.