Looking Ahead - The 2020 Offseason Thread

clvclv said:
So let's play musical chairs (assuming $25 million is what AA has left to play with)...

1.) Riley, Waters, and Wilson to Cincinnati for Suarez - adds ~ $10 million in salary

2.) d'Arnaud and Muller to Anaheim for Max Stassi and Jared Walsh - saves ~ $5.5 million in salary

3.) Sign Ozuna to DH - adds ~ $18 million in salary

4.) Release Jackson and re-sign Melancon ($4 million) - adds ~ $2.5 million in salary


Acuna, Freeman, Ozuna, Walsh, Suarez, Ozzie, Dansby, Stassi/Contreras, Ender/Pache
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Reds seem like a good, shake it up team option. But I don't see why they'd want Riley. Senzel should be third base.

As long as we are doing fictional trades that will never happen:
Reds get: Ender (for money reasons and they could put him in CF and hope for a deadline flip), Waters, Langeliers, Wright, Davidson, Shewmake
Braves get: Suarez and Winkler
Reds probably want to dump Castellanos but that contract looks rough.

If there is a DH, then Riley is there. If there is not he is depth or a trade piece.
 
Hector Gomez:

SOURCE: Marcell Ozuna is seeking a 4-year and up multi-year contract. Six teams have shown interest:

- Red Sox
- Yankees
- Dodgers
- Mets
- Twins
- Brewers

@z101digital @ZDeportes
 
Its starting to feel like this might be the year we finally need to just make an impact trade for a bat vs. signing.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Angles hired a braves front office guy a couple of months ago. They likely are not the same dumb team. Maybe dumb ownership wins out.

Turner I worry about b/c I keep hearing rumors he'd retire before leaving west coast.

Ozuna seems like the only impact bat still on the market. Maybe Pederson vs RH, maybe. And I still think you'd have to expect major regression from Ozuna. Somewhere between Cardinals and Braves output.

Getting JTR only makes sense if there is a big trade somewhere. I'm just not sure where that is. Something crazy and complicated like getting Happ from Cubs, needing to give up (and willing to give up) Contreras in the deal and moving TDA for a prospect.
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Agreed on Ozuna. He was about as lucky in 2020 as he was unlucky in 2019. Even the projections put him somewhere between those seasons with an OPS of .850+.

Anyone that gives him 4 years is just as stupid as the Twins are for signing JD.
 
Enscheff said:
Agreed on Ozuna. He was about as lucky in 2020 as he was unlucky in 2019. Even the projections put him somewhere between those seasons with an OPS of .850+.

Anyone that gives him 4 years is just as stupid as the Twins are for signing JD.
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Keep hearing the same thing about Turner that Russ has - that he's just not very interested in leaving the west coast. As much as it sucks, I'm beginning to wonder if the only real play AA has is to give up smaller pieces in a deal for Bryant (without including Riley) and cross his fingers hoping for a big platform year. The problem is I wonder how big those "smaller pieces" might have to be. Hope that Riley's adjustments take and that Waters takes a step forward and you'll have plenty of resources to extend Freddie and dangle in front of Soler to come on board as the DH next winter.

I don't think I'd want any piece of a four year deal for Ozuna, don't think the Reds really would move Suarez, and I definitely don't have any interest in Arenado's contract unless the Rockies are going to eat $12 million a year (or more) of it.

If you can't get Bryant for a reasonable return (or don't think he's going to bounce back), it's probably time to see if you can get a Rosario/Duvall platoon in LF, add Villar and/or another bench piece/utility guy, and load the pen up as much as possible.
 
NELSON CRUZ
DH, MINNESOTA TWINS

Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that the Twins have increased the dollar amount of their one-year offer to Nelson Cruz.
However, Heyman adds that "multiple NL teams are showing interest" in Cruz and the slugger is "waiting to see if a universal DH is adopted." Cruz is 40 but is said to be seeking a two-year contract this offseason, and if there is a universal DH it seems likely that some club will bite on the two years. He put together a .303/.397/.595 batting line with 16 homers in 214 plate appearances last season.
 
Russ2dollas said:
AA owes us a big, positive move with the Hammer dying today. Need good news. Positive news.
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I certainly hope this is NOT what you wanted!

From MLBTR

The Braves have claimed right-hander Victor Arano and outfielder Kyle Garlick off waivers, the Phillies announced. Philadelphia recently designated both players for assignment. The claims fill the final two open spots on Atlanta’s 40-man roster.


DOB has a glaring report on both. A 5th OF and reliever with elbow and shoulder issues.

Does this action bring a financial short coming to head??
 
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My first thought is they are simply filler because there is a deal pending that will create a couple vacancies. What OFers would you consider trade material other than Waters. Arano had a fair to good start and is still only 25.
 
Arano could be someone depending on whether he recovers from surgery. Pretty good numbers in 2018.

Don't know much about Garlick, but they wouldn't bother unless they think he can contribute. Decent but not eye-popping numbers during his time in the Dodgers' system.
 
Super said:
really? i think someone might, but i guess it depends what you mean by starting caliber.
i think if Brantley signed in Toronto, for example, Teoscar could've been traded. i think he's starting caliber, if just barely.
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Starting caliber, as in a 2-3 WAR OFer.
 
Not sure AA's high AAV strategy is going to work. There is a work stoppage coming and these guys want their money. If the new CBA moves more money to younger players, get yours now.

I wonder if we are going to have to get a couple of lower guys like La Stella and try to piece it together.

I keep thinking AA is working on a big trade. But it never arises.

You'd think that Wilson, Wright, Touki and Davidson would be attractive. Lots of teams want to punt on this year. These guys are cheap pitchers with upside. Maybe we need someone to agree to the camouflaged tank where they send us a guy making decent money for an upside arm. I think the Diamondbacks have some decent guys like Peralta. Problem is we need at least one impact guy.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Not sure AA's high AAV strategy is going to work. There is a work stoppage coming and these guys want their money. If the new CBA moves more money to younger players, get yours now.

I wonder if we are going to have to get a couple of lower guys like La Stella and try to piece it together.

I keep thinking AA is working on a big trade. But it never arises.

You'd think that Wilson, Wright, Touki and Davidson would be attractive. Lots of teams want to punt on this year. These guys are cheap pitchers with upside. Maybe we need someone to agree to the camouflaged tank where they send us a guy making decent money for an upside arm. I think the Diamondbacks have some decent guys like Peralta. Problem is we need at least one impact guy.
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Why on earth would AA trade guys like that for someone like Peralta when Pederson, Rosario, and Duvall are still floating around out there and would only cost money???

I like Peralta as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't give up Wright or Wilson for him with several other similar options available. If AA were going to try to trade for one of their left-handed OFs, Calhoun would arguably be the better option - more power and his 2022 salary comes with a team option so he could be ditched in favor of Waters if needed.
 
clvclv said:
Why on earth would AA trade guys like that for someone like Peralta when Pederson, Rosario, and Duvall are still floating around out there and would only cost money???

I like Peralta as much as the next guy, but I wouldn't give up Wright or Wilson for him with several other similar options available. If AA were going to try to trade for one of their left-handed OFs, Calhoun would arguably be the better option - more power and his 2022 salary comes with a team option so he could be ditched in favor of Waters if needed.
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I was just brain dumping. Not suggesting you send any of those guys straight up for peralta.

Just word vomit b/c we need some good news.
 
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