Luis Robert Leaves Cuba

Hudson2 said:
This is the best chance we have to add a possible young stud bat to the system anytime soon. Bc we aren't gonna trade anybody that will bring one back and we will probably be picking middle of the pack next year in the draft. The international rules are changing after July this year so who knows how that will shake out. The Padres aren't ready to compete anytime soon so that should give us more motivation than them to sign this guy being that we will be competing as of next year imo and won't have the chance to draft an impact bat anytime soon. Imo this is a signing we need to make to really cap off the rebuild.
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There's no money left. It was used to sign Colon and Dickey so they could lead the Braves to a 78 win season.

Masterful moves by a genius GM indeed!
 
Enscheff said:
There's no money left. It was used to sign Colon and Dickey so they could lead the Braves to a 78 win season.

Masterful moves by a genius GM indeed!
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Of course any of the vets acquired can be moved at the deadline for additional pieces, having them in the rotation allows guys like Blair/Wisler more time at AAA to develop and its not the worst thing to have a couple vets on the staff that can mentor the younger pitchers. Its not just about trying to win 78 games.
 
Enscheff said:
Looks like the White Sox are the early front runners for Robert:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/white-sox-notes-robert-abreu-jones-frazier.html

Hahn is once again showing everyone how to actually have a successful rebuild. I really hope Coppy is taking notes.
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Does Hahn need to take notes on how to acquire a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect? Or how to get the top international talent in a decade? This is what I mean by your agenda. You are blinded by your desire to prove that Coppy is a bad GM. I have no idea why you're so bent on proving that, but you clearly are.

I haven't been 100% behind every move he's made, but if you can't acknowledge that he has made a lot of good moves and done a good job overall with the rebuild, then I don't know what to tell you.

Rick Hahn traded two big-time talents under phenomenal contracts for good prospects. Great. And it appears he is prepared to spend a bunch for a Cuban who is considered a good talent. Great. Neither of those is groundbreaking or overly difficult. He has spent the last 4 years producing both a weak major league team and a weak minor league system. What a great GM!
 
smootness said:
Does Hahn need to take notes on how to acquire a bad contract in exchange for a good prospect? Or how to get the top international talent in a decade? This is what I mean by your agenda. You are blinded by your desire to prove that Coppy is a bad GM. I have no idea why you're so bent on proving that, but you clearly are.

I haven't been 100% behind every move he's made, but if you can't acknowledge that he has made a lot of good moves and done a good job overall with the rebuild, then I don't know what to tell you.

Rick Hahn traded two big-time talents under phenomenal contracts for good prospects. Great. And it appears he is prepared to spend a bunch for a Cuban who is considered a good talent. Great. Neither of those is groundbreaking or overly difficult. He has spent the last 4 years producing both a weak major league team and a weak minor league system. What a great GM!
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Never said he was a bad GM. I said he was a very mediocre GM, and far from this genius all the Braves homers claim him to be. Mediocre GMs make good moves and bad moves...which is what makes them mediocre.

And no, I seriously doubt Hahn needs Coppy to show him how to take on bad contracts in exchange for prospects. That tactic has been widely used in sports for many years. Hahn is about to acquire top international talent, so again, he doesn't need any knowledge from Coppy (whose top international feather in his cap was probably secured while Wren was still the GM).
 
Enscheff said:
And no, I seriously doubt Hahn needs Coppy to show him how to take on bad contracts in exchange for prospects. That tactic has been widely used in sports for many years. Hahn is about to acquire top international talent, so again, he doesn't need any knowledge from Coppy.
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So Hahn is about to do what Coppy has been doing for a couple years, glad to see Hahn catching up.
 
LOL!!! Hahn was promoted GM in 2012 (end of year).. lets see how he is doing..

Wsox's record
2013 63 - 99
2014 73 - 89
2015 76 - 86
2016 78 - 84
2017 Rebuilding

Dude is a freaking genius... I hope Copy is taking notes.
 
Pretty awesome to have two of the most valuable assets gifted to you to speed up a rebuild.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
LOL!!! Hahn was promoted GM in 2012 (end of year).. lets see how he is doing..

Wsox's record

2013 63 - 99

2014 73 - 89

2015 76 - 86

2016 78 - 84

2017 Rebuilding

Dude is a freaking genius... I hope Copy is taking notes.
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Has to be nice to be able to fail so uvh and then rebuild.
 
thethe said:
Pretty awesome to have two of the most valuable assets gifted to you to speed up a rebuild.
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Just so I'm clear...

He had Eaton and Sale "gifted" to him, yet he didn't have the rest of the crappy roster "gifted" to him as well?

So which is it? Can you two geniuses agree? Was Hahn responsible for the current White Sox roster or not?
 
thethe said:
Has to be nice to be able to fail so uvh and then rebuild.
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You can't even comprehend Matt's statement completely contradicts yours? And you still agree with it? Wow...that's new level stupidity, even for you...and that's saying a lot.
 
Steps to a successful rebuild like the White Sox:

1) Have two highly valuable players on good contracts

2) Trade those players

Brilliant rebuilding strategy.
 
Enscheff said:
You can't even comprehend Matt's statement completely contradicts yours? And you still agree with it? Wow...that's new level stupidity, even for you...and that's saying a lot.
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Hahn failed building a winning roster for a few years and then gets to rebuild. Please explain how that is a contradiction with what I said.
 
mqt said:
Steps to a successful rebuild like the White Sox:

1) Have two highly valuable players on good contracts

2) Trade those players

Brilliant rebuilding strategy.
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After failing to win for a few years. That's a cushy GM job. GREAT GMING!!!
 
Enscheff said:
Just so I'm clear...

He had Eaton and Sale "gifted" to him, yet he didn't have the rest of the crappy roster "gifted" to him as well?

So which is it? Can you two geniuses agree? Was Hahn responsible for the current White Sox roster or not?
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Sale and Eaton were apart of the organization prior to his tenure.

Shields -- he acquired
Abreu - he acquired -- good sign
Lawrie -- he acquired
Melky -- he acquired
Laroche -- yup
Frazier -- yup
avisail G. - that was him
Latos -- yup
rodon -- first draft year.. good job
Quintana - NOPE gifted
Miguel Gonzales -- yes that was him..

Yeah, I can see that he was gifted really 3 great assets and was responsible for the **** team he put around them.
 
Enscheff said:
Never said he was a bad GM. I said he was a very mediocre GM, and far from this genius all the Braves homers claim him to be. Mediocre GMs make good moves and bad moves...which is what makes them mediocre.

And no, I seriously doubt Hahn needs Coppy to show him how to take on bad contracts in exchange for prospects. That tactic has been widely used in sports for many years. Hahn is about to acquire top international talent, so again, he doesn't need any knowledge from Coppy (whose top international feather in his cap was probably secured while Wren was still the GM).
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You're making my point for me. Coppy has already done these things which you are applauding Hahn for doing.

And every GM makes good moves and bad moves. The difference lies in the ratio. It'd be pretty tough to argue Coppy hasn't made more good than bad and come out ahead overall.

I don't think Coppy is a genius. I do think he's a smart guy (as most GMs are), and I like the way he values upside and the long-term.

ETA: And taking on a bad contract for a prospect one-for-one is hardly ever done in sports, especially in baseball. Sure, expiring contracts are valued in basketball, but that is done for cap space, not in a trade for actual talent.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Sale and Eaton were apart of the organization prior to his tenure.

Shields -- he acquired

Abreu - he acquired -- good sign

Lawrie -- he acquired

Melky -- he acquired

Laroche -- yup

Frazier -- yup

avisail G. - that was him

Latos -- yup

rodon -- first draft year.. good job

Quintana - NOPE gifted

Miguel Gonzales -- yes that was him..

Yeah, I can see that he was gifted really 3 great assets and was responsible for the **** team he put around them.
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Great GM!
 
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