Machado or MooseTacos deal

clvclv said:
Exactly what everyone would hope - the problem is that they're going to be dragged (kicking and screaming) into them at some point.

You guys have been screaming about how Allard can't be successful at the MLB level for months despite his success - what makes you think that somebody in Baltimore finally listens as well? It's not like they can make the Davis contract disappear, so moving him (Machado) clears $17 million for next season - whether it's via free-agency OR trade, and they KNOW that's the money they'll have to replace him no matter where/when he goes. Everybody loves to beat up on JS around here - go back and look at the decision-maker's (Angelos) history in Baltimore - exactly what makes you think he's going to listen to anybody screaming "take the best offer on the table" when he's never done it before??? Would the Orioles be any better in 2019 with Allard and Moose than they are in 2018 with Machado?

You guys have screamed about the Braves being "anti-numbers" for years, what makes you think the Orioles are suddenly going to change in the next 6 weeks when they've been even worse?

Angelos is every bit as old-school as you guys scream about The Johns and Bobby being, and he actually has the final say since he's the one writing the checks. If he'd have had any sense, he'd have taken Andujar for Machado from the Yankees straight-up last winter, but his hatred of the Yankees (and lack of willingness to try to adjust to today's game) wouldn't let him.
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This comment doesn’t even make sense. The train of “thought” isn’t even followable.
 
clvclv said:
Exactly what everyone would hope - the problem is that they're going to be dragged (kicking and screaming) into them at some point.

You guys have been screaming about how Allard can't be successful at the MLB level for months despite his success - what makes you think that somebody in Baltimore finally listens as well? It's not like they can make the Davis contract disappear, so moving him (Machado) clears $17 million for next season - whether it's via free-agency OR trade, and they KNOW that's the money they'll have to replace him no matter where/when he goes. Everybody loves to beat up on JS around here - go back and look at the decision-maker's (Angelos) history in Baltimore - exactly what makes you think he's going to listen to anybody screaming "take the best offer on the table" when he's never done it before??? Would the Orioles be any better in 2019 with Allard and Moose than they are in 2018 with Machado?

You guys have screamed about the Braves being "anti-numbers" for years, what makes you think the Orioles are suddenly going to change in the next 6 weeks when they've been even worse?

Angelos is every bit as old-school as you guys scream about The Johns and Bobby being, and he actually has the final say since he's the one writing the checks. If he'd have had any sense, he'd have taken Andujar for Machado from the Yankees straight-up last winter, but his hatred of the Yankees (and lack of willingness to try to adjust to today's game) wouldn't let him.
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We don't which is why they are likely to get abused in a trade for Machado whether it's the Braves or someone else.
 
What's the board's preference...
Give up allard+ for Machado or wisler/fried type player for mous? Personally, I rather go mous unless we feel having Machado gives us some sort of inside track to signing Machado long term.
 
Morosi was interviewed the other day and says the braves have not yet reached out to baltimore to discuss machado, however, if they do, it would likely extend to a reliever as well....i wonder if they may wait to see how britton does before pulling the trigger on a move?
 
msstate7 said:
What's the board's preference...
Give up allard+ for Machado or wisler/fried type player for mous? Personally, I rather go mous unless we feel having Machado gives us some sort of inside track to signing Machado long term.
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Mous isn't a particularly significant upgrade, IMO. If it's free fine. But I don't think picking him up would be a big deal.

I'd rather improve the relievers.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Morosi was interviewed the other day and says the braves have not yet reached out to baltimore to discuss machado, however, if they do, it would likely extend to a reliever as well....i wonder if they may wait to see how britton does before pulling the trigger on a move?
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The more I think about it the more I really like the idea of getting Machado. I just hope we don’t trade Wright or something dumb like that to do it.
 
Glad to see people are finally starting to come around to the idea of trading for Machado. He is the perfect fit for this Braves team and the price won't be as high as some think. The Braves could still re-sign him as well to keep him around longer. Then they could use Riley as the centerpiece in a trade for a true Ace.
 
EstebanBugatti said:
Glad to see people are finally starting to come around to the idea of trading for Machado. He is the perfect fit for this Braves team and the price won't be as high as some think. The Braves could still re-sign him as well to keep him around longer. Then they could use Riley as the centerpiece in a trade for a true Ace.
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What gives anyone the idea we could outbid the major market teams to sign Machado? Doesn't make much sense.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Morosi was interviewed the other day and says the braves have not yet reached out to baltimore to discuss machado, however, if they do, it would likely extend to a reliever as well....i wonder if they may wait to see how britton does before pulling the trigger on a move?
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if he’s healthy, Machado and Britton would be massive upgrades. I just don’t think I personally make the trade unless we have confirmation that Machado will resign. We’d lose too much.
 
NYCBrave said:
What gives anyone the idea we could outbid the major market teams to sign Machado? Doesn't make much sense.
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The fact that our farm system is top 3 in all of baseball. We have much more desirable prospects that Baltimore would prefer. Trading him to Atl instead of the Yankees also takes him out of the AL.
 
EstebanBugatti said:
The fact that our farm system is top 3 in all of baseball. We have much more desirable prospects that Baltimore would prefer. Trading him to Atl instead of the Yankees also takes him out of the AL.
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I said SIGN as in free agent this off season. You insinuated that if we traded for him we'd have a good chance to sign him next year...
 
NYCBrave said:
I said SIGN as in free agent this off season. You insinuated that if we traded for him we'd have a good chance to sign him next year...
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I never said that at all. I simply said that they could re-sign him. The Braves have a ton of free money to spend this offseason and not that many glaring holes. Spending big on Machado is very much doable for AA.
 
msstate7 said:
What's the board's preference...
Give up allard+ for Machado or wisler/fried type player for mous? Personally, I rather go mous unless we feel having Machado gives us some sort of inside track to signing Machado long term.
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If the Nats run away with the division by the deadline and the Braves are fighting for a single elimination WC game, I want them to get the cheapest upgrade at 3b possible.

If they are legitimately fighting the Nats for the division and a spot in a 5 game series, with the WC berth as a likely fall back option, I would be all for them spending the assets needed to acquire Machado.

Machado is a legit difference maker. Everyone else is a solid upgrade that’s more about the optics of making an acquisition.
 
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EstebanBugatti said:
I never said that at all. I simply said that they could re-sign him. The Braves have a ton of free money to spend this offseason and not that many glaring holes. Spending big on Machado is very much doable for AA.
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The Braves will not be signing or resigning Machado this offseason. The largest FA contract in the history of the Braves isn’t even $100M, so aren’t suddenly giving Machado 4x that amount when Riley looks to be a solid 2 win player for free.

There is a decent chance they will be trading for him though.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves will not be signing or resigning Machado this offseason. The largest FA contract in the history of the Braves isn’t even $100M, so aren’t suddenly giving Machado 4x that amount when Riley looks to be a solid 2 win player for free.

There is a decent chance they will be trading for him though.
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Stop being an ignorant toolbag for 5 minutes. I bet you can't do it.
 
msstate7 said:
What's the board's preference...
Give up allard+ for Machado or wisler/fried type player for mous? Personally, I rather go mous unless we feel having Machado gives us some sort of inside track to signing Machado long term.
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I would go with the cheaper reinforcement because in general I think paying the contenders premium is bad business.
 
nsacpi said:
I would go with the cheaper reinforcement because in general I think paying the contenders premium is bad business.
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I agree. Sometimes it is justified in very specific circumstances, but in most cases (including ours), I would avoid the premium if possible.
 
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