Marlins Extend Prado

Julio3000 said:
What's with all the "reason to believe" stuff? And why do people call Nick Markakis "Neck"?
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Bowman, the beat writer for the Braves, uses "reason to believe", or variations of that all the time. Folks around here love to make fun of Bowman because he is fat and only seems to write material that has been approved (or written) by the Braves.

Markakis had neck surgery right before Atlanta signed him. Nick and neck are only 1 letter apart, and posters here are just clever enough to make that pun. Kinda like calling the LFer Fatt Kemp (which I think I just made up, yay me!).
 
And so it begins (or continues to begin after Cervelli and Freese).

I guess the Braves could make a play for Frazier and Sheilds from the Chisox. Taking Sheilds' contract and Fraziers K's and low average shouldn't cost much.

A lineup of: CF Inciarte, SS Swanson, 1B Freeman, LF Kemp, RF Markakis, 3B Frazier, C McCann, 2B Peterson/Albies would certainly be interesting.
 
Chico said:
Strasburg, Cervelli, Freese, and Prado all extended this year when they're set to hit free agency. Ivan Nova might be as well.

Something to keep in mind for those who are banking on the big free agent class of the ages after the 2018 season.
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All of which the Braves could have used, though Stras was obviously out of Atlanta's price range...or price universe.

This FA class has gone from "terrible" to "don't even bother".
 
Chico said:
Strasburg, Cervelli, Freese, and Prado all extended this year when they're set to hit free agency. Ivan Nova might be as well.

Something to keep in mind for those who are banking on the big free agent class of the ages after the 2018 season.
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Some of those guys were shoe-ins for a QO and it has become increasingly clear that the QO kills middle of the road FA value.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
And so it begins (or continues to begin after Cervelli and Freese).

I guess the Braves could make a play for Frazier and Sheilds from the Chisox. Taking Sheilds' contract and Fraziers K's and low average shouldn't cost much.

A lineup of: CF Inciarte, SS Swanson, 1B Freeman, LF Kemp, RF Markakis, 3B Frazier, C McCann, 2B Peterson/Albies would certainly be interesting.
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I wonder what the Braves could get done by acquiring Shields and Sale or Quintana.

Does anyone think the negative value of Shields would bring the cost of Sale/Quintana down to the level where the Braves could afford the prospect package?

Would the ChiSox really be interested in freeing up the money owed to Shields when there aren't any FAs worth spending it on? Probably not.
 
Enscheff said:
I wonder what the Braves could get done by acquiring Shields and Sale or Quintana.

Does anyone think the negative value of Shields would bring the cost of Sale/Quintana down to the level where the Braves could afford the prospect package?

Would the ChiSox really be interested in freeing up the money owed to Shields when there aren't any FAs worth spending it on? Probably not.
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I think the Sox are in an ideal spot for a true rebuild if they want to go that way. And why trade Sale or Quintana at all unless you are going to rebuild?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I think the Sox are in an ideal spot for a true rebuild if they want to go that way. And why trade Sale or Quintana at all unless you are going to rebuild?
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An excellent point, and if they are going to go for a rebuild, why even bother trading Shields? Just let him pitch on a rebuilding team and by the time they are competitive again he will be gone. There is really no reason to lessen the return for a premium trade chip by attaching Shields to him to save money during the years the team is going to suck anyways.

That's the main problem I had with the Kimbrel/Upton trade. Why lessen the return for Kimbrel by attaching Upton to him rather than just letting Upton suck during the rebuild? It's not like the Braves did anything with the Upton money since their payroll was among the lowest in the game the last couple years.
 
Enscheff said:
An excellent point, and if they are going to go for a rebuild, why even bother trading Shields? Just let him pitch on a rebuilding team and by the time they are competitive again he will be gone. There is really no reason to lessen the return for a premium trade chip by attaching Shields to him to save money during the years the team is going to suck anyways.

That's the main problem I had with the Kimbrel/Upton trade. Why lessen the return for Kimbrel by attaching Upton to him rather than just letting Upton suck during the rebuild? It's not like the Braves did anything with the Upton money since their payroll was among the lowest in the game the last couple years.
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They have absolutely done things with the Upton money.
 
Enscheff said:
An excellent point, and if they are going to go for a rebuild, why even bother trading Shields? Just let him pitch on a rebuilding team and by the time they are competitive again he will be gone. There is really no reason to lessen the return for a premium trade chip by attaching Shields to him to save money during the years the team is going to suck anyways.

That's the main problem I had with the Kimbrel/Upton trade. Why lessen the return for Kimbrel by attaching Upton to him rather than just letting Upton suck during the rebuild? It's not like the Braves did anything with the Upton money since their payroll was among the lowest in the game the last couple years.
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Upton was toxic for a team trying to bring in young players and make them part of the rebuild. This is why these things have to be evaluated by more than just numbers on a spreadsheet. Getting rid of BJ was important to the Braves, and its not hard to see why.
 
mfree80 said:
Upton was toxic for a team trying to bring in young players and make them part of the rebuild. This is why these things have to be evaluated by more than just numbers on a spreadsheet. Getting rid of BJ was important to the Braves, and its not hard to see why.
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Melvin rockin' a .592 OPS in a Blue Jays' uniform. Played fairly well in San Diego, but has fallen back to Earth. Still and all, has had a 20/20 season, which I never thought would happen again for him. Good 4th OF type and Toronto has him at a reasonable price.
 
50PoundHead said:
Melvin rockin' a .592 OPS in a Blue Jays' uniform. Played fairly well in San Diego, but has fallen back to Earth. Still and all, has had a 20/20 season, which I never thought would happen again for him. Good 4th OF type and Toronto has him at a reasonable price.
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Ironically enough, he would probably make for a good 4th OFer option for the Braves since he will likely post a .750 OPS vs LHers and can play CF. He would have made a good compliment off the bench to the current OF.
 
Enscheff said:
An excellent point, and if they are going to go for a rebuild, why even bother trading Shields? Just let him pitch on a rebuilding team and by the time they are competitive again he will be gone. There is really no reason to lessen the return for a premium trade chip by attaching Shields to him to save money during the years the team is going to suck anyways.

That's the main problem I had with the Kimbrel/Upton trade. Why lessen the return for Kimbrel by attaching Upton to him rather than just letting Upton suck during the rebuild? It's not like the Braves did anything with the Upton money since their payroll was among the lowest in the game the last couple years.
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I understand what you're saying in that keeping Upton and just trading Kimbrel may have ultimately brought more long term talent than trading them together to get rid of Upton's contract and negative value.

But, I think clearing the money allows a team to take on additional short term bad contracts (and talent for taking that contract) as long as the team isn't shedding money in effort to save and pocket money. The Braves traded Kimbrel and Upton for essentially: Paroubeck (nothing guy sent as a throw in in Dodgers trade), Maybin (starting CF for 2015), Krol (in trade for Maybin), Wisler, Pick (Soroka) and Carlos Quinten's money (-$8M).

It's possible that the money they saved was used to play in the International market this last summer or they may have acquired Touki by taking on Arroyo. It's hard to really tell. But the idea is flexibility to make moves.

As for ChicagoWS, if they decide to rebuild, they could take the team down to the metal and build it back up pretty easily. They are in a much better position to do it than the Braves were from almost every aspect. To start with, Sale and Quintana both are more valuable than ANY player that the Braves traded.
 
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