Matt Wieters

Carp said:
Average=/= winning 90 games per year. It happened 3 times. Why leave out the other years? Does it not suit your argument?
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Like the years they won 86 and 89 games? Yeah those teams were bad and so far off 90 wins. Again the Braves averaged 91 wins over 5 seasons and had the most wins in the NL. But they sucked outside of 3 seasons, right?
 
Yeah, I did take Hart literally. I was thinking, "you don't rebuild and try and compete, you burn it to the ground." Which is exactly what he did. It's getting hard to see 15-1 and 20-6 though.

So I reserve my right as a fan capable of a broad range of emotional responses to bitch about the current state of affairs.

The last time we were this bad I was living and working in West Palm Beach. It was spring, and Russ Nixon was in a bar I was in, telling everyone that they were about to turn the corner.

Russ was right, but I think he thought he was going to be the skipper when that happened.

I'm sure they'll work out of it. It's not a quick process, though.
 
We were 42-42, having lost Freeman a few days before that, and Grilli a few days after that. (I was at the game when Grilli went down. That was tough to watch.) The Grilli loss combined with the trade of Johnson and Avilan killed the bullpen for all intents and purposes. But I also think that was the point where Hart decided to punt the season for good with the Olivera trade. It might work out if we get a top 3 pick.
 
Straight from the horses mouth.

" I’ve never made any false promises that we were built to win this year. We felt we had an energy and a good makeup. But you don’t trade your closer opening day, trade for draft picks, trade middle-of-the-order bats and expect to win. I won’t lie to fans"
 
thewupk said:
Like the years they won 86 and 89 games? Yeah those teams were bad and so far off 90 wins. Again the Braves averaged 91 wins over 5 seasons and had the most wins in the NL. But they sucked outside of 3 seasons, right?
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Again, how many times did we make the playoffs? Not sure why you keep using that 5 year span as a point of reference and why you exclude 2014?
 
cajunrevenge said:
Straight from the horses mouth.

" I’ve never made any false promises that we were built to win this year. We felt we had an energy and a good makeup. But you don’t trade your closer opening day, trade for draft picks, trade middle-of-the-order bats and expect to win. I won’t lie to fans"
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AP 1/15/15

'President of baseball operations John Hart acknowledged that the Braves made all the trades with an eye toward their long-term future. Yet, in a city that has endured only three losing seasons in the last 24 years, the deals have caused major consternation among the fan base, with many complaining that the team has given up on the next two seasons and is more concerned about being competitive when it moves into a new suburban stadium in 2017.

Not so, Hart told The Associated Press.

"We may not be the prettiest girl at the dance," he said in a telephone interview, "but we're going to be a lot of fun to dance with."'

Seems to me that he was singing a different tune in the winter than in the piece you quoted. In fact, that interview he seemed to be pooh-poohing the very idea that anyone had suggested the team would be competitive… and it's true, he didn't promise a winner. He did, however, suggest that the team would be competitive. I understand that keeping the fans interested, particularly during off-season like the last one, is a difficult and thankless job. I don't have an ax to grind with Hart about this one, I just agree with the Gov and dispute the notion that no one ever said the team was going to be competitive.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Why would he sign here? It could be awhile before the rebuilding is done. I don't see us contending for several years. This is quite a hole our "retooling on the fly" has left us in.

I think we can safely say that Hart's comments about competing while we "retool" were bull****. If we compete in 2017, Julio will run naked down Peachtree.
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Take this for what it's worth but I played high school ball with Matty at Stratford. Like me, he grew up a Braves fan and followed in his daddy's footsteps and went to Tech when Carolina and Clemson were calling. It would not surprise me one bit if he signed with ATL. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
 
Julio3000 said:
AP 1/15/15

'President of baseball operations John Hart acknowledged that the Braves made all the trades with an eye toward their long-term future. Yet, in a city that has endured only three losing seasons in the last 24 years, the deals have caused major consternation among the fan base, with many complaining that the team has given up on the next two seasons and is more concerned about being competitive when it moves into a new suburban stadium in 2017.

Not so, Hart told The Associated Press.

"We may not be the prettiest girl at the dance," he said in a telephone interview, "but we're going to be a lot of fun to dance with."'

Seems to me that he was singing a different tune in the winter than in the piece you quoted. In fact, that interview he seemed to be pooh-poohing the very idea that anyone had suggested the team would be competitive… and it's true, he didn't promise a winner. He did, however, suggest that the team would be competitive. I understand that keeping the fans interested, particularly during off-season like the last one, is a difficult and thankless job. I don't have an ax to grind with Hart about this one, I just agree with the Gov and dispute the notion that no one ever said the team was going to be competitive.
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And they were competitive during the first half. Then they traded role players and Freeman/Grilli got hurt and the wheels came off. They are competiting for the #1 pick right now and doing a pretty good job of it. Lets not be mad at them for not winning 10 more games so we get the 12th pick instead of the second pick.
 
cajunrevenge said:
And they were competitive during the first half. Then they traded role players and Freeman/Grilli got hurt and the wheels came off. They are competiting for the #1 pick right now and doing a pretty good job of it. Lets not be mad at them for not winning 10 more games so we get the 12th pick instead of the second pick.
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Oh, no, they're cranking, now. I've never seen a team this ****ty. They remind me of the 2003 Tigers, except the Tigers had this roster from the get-go. I mean, we suck. Historically. We could go 14-66 in the second half. I think we can catch Philly, easy.

Well done, Johns.
 
jsebe10 said:
Take this for what it's worth but I played high school ball with Matty at Stratford. Like me, he grew up a Braves fan and followed in his daddy's footsteps and went to Tech when Carolina and Clemson were calling. It would not surprise me one bit if he signed with ATL. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
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Good to know, jsebe. I've always liked him. He'd be a real nice fit, but I'm afraid the timings gonna be off. He'll be 34 before were in the hunt again.
 
Julio3000 said:
AP 1/15/15

'President of baseball operations John Hart acknowledged that the Braves made all the trades with an eye toward their long-term future. Yet, in a city that has endured only three losing seasons in the last 24 years, the deals have caused major consternation among the fan base, with many complaining that the team has given up on the next two seasons and is more concerned about being competitive when it moves into a new suburban stadium in 2017.

Not so, Hart told The Associated Press.

"We may not be the prettiest girl at the dance," he said in a telephone interview, "but we're going to be a lot of fun to dance with."'

Seems to me that he was singing a different tune in the winter than in the piece you quoted. In fact, that interview he seemed to be pooh-poohing the very idea that anyone had suggested the team would be competitive… and it's true, he didn't promise a winner. He did, however, suggest that the team would be competitive. I understand that keeping the fans interested, particularly during off-season like the last one, is a difficult and thankless job. I don't have an ax to grind with Hart about this one, I just agree with the Gov and dispute the notion that no one ever said the team was going to be competitive.
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"That was a falsitude. Hart is an inveterate liar. We lack the right levels of emotionalism and physicalness." -Don King
 
I'm not against the full tear down once we started the job either. And I suspect the Johns were right when they suggested that the old team had gone about as far as it could go. But God, we look horrible. It just sucks.
 
Carp said:
Again, how many times did we make the playoffs? Not sure why you keep using that 5 year span as a point of reference and why you exclude 2014?
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Because the first few years he had to wash the stink of the Schuerholz regime out of the club (THAT'S actually when we got away from the Braves Way, BTW - not under Wren). And the last year, once JS gave his buttboy Hart the consulting job, you could see he was just waiting for Wren to hit a rough patch so he could off him.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Because the first few years he had to wash the stink of the Schuerholz regime out of the club (THAT'S actually when we got away from the Braves Way, BTW - not under Wren). And the last year, once JS gave his buttboy Hart the consulting job, you could see he was just waiting for Wren to hit a rough patch so he could off him.
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And this is blatantly false. The only issue Wren was left with was a poor rotation. The lineup he inherited featured several stars, including Tex, Chipper, Mac, Renteria, Yunel, Prado, and KJ. And the farm was still one of the best in baseball with names I've already mentioned.
 
Carp said:
And this is blatantly false. The only issue Wren was left with was a poor rotation. The lineup he inherited featured several stars, including Tex, Chipper, Mac, Renteria, Yunel, Prado, and KJ. And the farm was still one of the best in baseball with names I've already mentioned.
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Oh, is that all? LOL

We had "some rotation problems?"

I'll say. Our pitching sucked, is another way to say it.

There's another way- in his last year, JS had a dearth of starting pitching that he desperately needed to address at the deadline. Instead, he chose to add hitting to an already stout offense, mortgaging the future on Tex.

I didn't say Schuerholz left him with nothing. But he left him with a huge gaping hole on the mound, which (you might notice right now) is an impossible issue to work around.

I hope all that crap Hart has gotten back for the plucky veterans amounts to something this year. Well, that and the number one draft pick we're destined to earn. Go, Fish! Go, Phils!
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Oh, is that all? LOL

We had "some rotation problems?"

I'll say. Our pitching sucked, is another way to say it.

There's another way- in his last year, JS had a dearth of starting pitching that he desperately needed to address at the deadline. Instead, he chose to add hitting to an already stout offense, mortgaging the future on Tex.

I didn't say Schuerholz left him with nothing. But he left him with a huge gaping hole on the mound, which (you might notice right now) is an impossible issue to work around.

I hope all that crap Hart has gotten back for the plucky veterans amounts to something this year. Well, that and the number one draft pick we're destined to earn. Go, Fish! Go, Phils!
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Not sure why you quoted "some rotation problems." I clearly stated he was left with a poor rotation.

His plan to rectify that rotation issue was pretty poor as well.
 
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