Megathread: Braves lose Maitan, Bae and 10+ plus International Sanctions.

bravesnumberone said:
Lol at people blaming MLB for this. Sue over what? For doing **** we weren't supposed to be doing? Best you can do is rat on other teams if they were into this mess which a few probably are. We got conned by shady ass Johns who acted like they knew everything about running a successful organization. What a dumpster fire this is.
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I don't disagree about the catastrophe of the Braves' recent front-office, but that doesn't absolve MLB from asymmetrically enforcing their rules.
 
DaneHill said:
Yes please. Please go down that path.

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Ownership hired management to run the baseball club. I am certain that they got updates as to strategy and the cost outlays. I'm sure that management told them that they wanted to shift funds while rebuilding into Latin America and got that approval. I'm not sure Liberty Media would have had the institutional knowledge to judge whether a particular 16 year old Latin American prospect was receiving the correct amount of money. Maybe McGuirk would, but I sort of doubt it. All they really wanted the Braves to do was meet budget and not bother them while they reaped tax deductions and let the Braves appreciate.

Nonetheless, if I were McGuirk, I would be sweating my job. Good chance he steps gracefully into the sunset before too long.
 
This is nothing but northern trash screwing us over. It’s a New Yorker in a New York office. We shouldn’t have expected anything different. Look at our history with the league.

They stole Tom Seaver over a techyand he ended up a Met.

They took the Super Station away from us slowing our finances while big Yankee and west coast teams in larger markets could spend with impunity.

Now they do this. Maybe the Dodgers, Mets Sox, Cubs, and Dodgers can clean up. They’ll like that. I hate Yankees.
 
sturg33 said:
I'll just point out here that I hated the previous the FO from the get go and wish Frank Wren was still here
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I didn’t hate the Coppy FO, but I never thought they were anything better than below average. I certainly didn’t think they would do anything so recklessly stupid to damage the Braves so severely.

There were plenty of people around here that never missed a chance to tell us how smart the FO was, and how wrong we all were for disagreeing with them though.

Obviously none of them will own up to it.
 
Southcack77 said:
Ownership hired management to run the baseball club. I am certain that they got updates as to strategy and the cost outlays. I'm sure that management told them that they wanted to shift funds while rebuilding into Latin America and got that approval. I'm not sure Liberty Media would have had the institutional knowledge to judge whether a particular 16 year old Latin American prospect was receiving the correct amount of money. Maybe McGuirk would, but I sort of doubt it. All they really wanted the Braves to do was meet budget and not bother them while they reaped tax deductions and let the Braves appreciate.

Nonetheless, if I were McGuirk, I would be sweating my job. Good chance he steps gracefully into the sunset before too long.
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Hmm, I don't know. Hard to miss if Coppy is claiming to MLB that they only spent $15M or whatever, but he had asked for $17M+ from ownership. Surely someone must have asked why or raised a red flag. Or were in on it.
 
Enscheff said:
Even this FG article pisses me off:

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-punishment-is-in-and-its-harsh/

A quick mention at the end that every team does this kind of thing as if it’s an unimportant detail.

I liked the analogy someone else came up with about jay walkers. It’s like the cops going up to a group of 30 jay walkers, grabbing the one with spiked hair, and locking him up for life while the others walk away unpunished.
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Those write ups on those prospects are rough... woof. Sounds like the bigger punishment isn’t what we had, but the players we won’t be able to sign in future years.
 
DaneHill said:
Hmm, I don't know. Hard to miss if Coppy is claiming to MLB that they only spent $15M or whatever, but then ask for $17M+ from ownership. Surely someone must have asked why or raised a red flag. Or were in on it.
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I think the later promised money was delivered in the form of inflated signing bonuses to future prospects.

Come to think of it, that’s starting to sound like embezzlement.

I was too dismissive of future legal trouble for Coppy and friends.
 
DaneHill said:
Yes please. Please go down that path.

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It didn't take much to get the ball rolling. Once the overpayment to Toscano was made, the slush fund was there at the disposal of Hartcoppy. It really is a form of money laundering. Similar to Manafort blowing a million bucks on persian rugs. I'm sure the persian rugs were not worth that much. The rug dealer forwarded some of the money on.
 
watch Maitan end up with the Yankees..... the punishment seems overly harsh by any imagination take in to account that they retroactively start at 2015 and the penalties continue to 2020-2021 that is 7 years! not to mention the 17 million or so money they are out PLUS 13 players and a draft pick. I want to know who instigated this thing in the first place. I better start seeing other teams getting punished as well, or I will be done with the MLB
 
weso1 said:
Well, we aren't going to be spending significant money on international free agency for awhile, so might as well make him an offer.
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The Braves can't until May 1 next year, and can't offer bonuses so that ensures that none of the prospects are going to be back in the system.
 
DaneHill said:
I'm fairly certain that we're forbidden from re-signing any of these prospects regardless.
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That's actually wrong. I can't produce the source that says so but I saw somewhere that said the Braves will be eligible on May 1 to do so though.

But the bonus ban ensures that it doesn't really matter though.
 
The way I understand it, all these guys are eligible to sign now but teams will be subject to 2017 signing numbers. So, any team already at or near their spending threshold for the International market would go over potentially and be subject to tax.

So, some questions leap to mind - 1. Could the players wait to sign until after J2 2018, essentially resetting their earning power? 2. The tax is supposed to go into a pool and be distributed back to clubs who don't go over, I think. Do the Braves participate in that pool? 3. How much do other teams value these guys now after having seen them in professional baseball for a year -will be informative as to how good the Braves scouting was?
 
This is hardly rationalizing, but it seems to be on the mark that Maitan's early returns have not come close to matching the outlook. He's gotten bigger and thicker faster than anyone would have guessed and is already an inadequate shortstop. Bat was nothing thrilling.

I'm much more upset at losing Gutierrez and Severino. Guessing that there are 2-3 future major leaguers in the FA group, nothing more.

Will be very curious is any of them settle for smaller bonuses than what Braves paid out.
 
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