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National team, yes
Fact of the matter, based on production, the women should be paid more.
How do you justify that inequity? Because MSL is more popular than NWSL.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the others.

If you wish to not have your writings dismissed as Fox News talking points, quit regurgitating, Fox News talking points
 
acesfull86 said:
MLS/NWSL is included in the article:

In U.S. professional soccer leagues, women also trail far behind men in terms of earnings. The National Women’s Soccer League has a pay ceiling per player of just $37,800. That’s compared to an average of more than $300,000 and a median of about $100,000 for men’s Major League Soccer. Each team in the NWSL has a salary cap of just $265,000—compared to more than $3 million for men.
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Even with that it draws up the issue of why women aren't getting draws to their games.
 
57Brave said:
National team, yes
Fact of the matter, based on production, the women should be paid more.
How do you justify that inequity? Because MSL is more popular than NWSL.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the others.

If you wish to not have your writings dismissed as Fox News talking points, quit regurgitating, Fox News talking points
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Based on what production? Winning or revenue generated?
 
or why limit this conversation and use of data to only sport.

Even in High-Paying STEM Fields, Women Are Shortchanged
-By: Renee Davidson

April 14, 2015

Gender pay discrimination isn’t a myth; it’s math. Our latest research shows that among full-time, year-round workers in 2013, women were paid 78 percent of what men were paid. A gender pay gap persists in nearly every industry — even the high-paying science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers. Something’s got to give.

AAUW’s new research report, Solving the Equation: The Variables for Women’s Success in Engineering and Computing, found that even in the two STEM fields with the most and highest-paying job opportunities, women face a pay gap.

An AAUW analysis of the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2013 American Community Survey data found that overall, women in computer and mathematical occupations were paid 87 percent of what their male counterparts were paid. And in engineering and architecture, women were typically paid 82 percent of what their male counterparts were paid, or about $65,000 annually, compared to $79,000 for men. It seems that entering a high-paying field like engineering or computing still does not protect women against the pay gap.

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In addition, the pay gap only gets worse as women dedicate more time to their careers. According to one study, today’s women are even more achievement-oriented than men are, yet women’s paychecks tell a different story. One study, highlighted in Solving the Equation, found that potential employers were willing to offer male applicants a higher salary for a science lab manager position than they would offer to equally qualified female applicants.

There’s plenty we can do to help close the gender pay gap in STEM, and in all fields. Companies can conduct job audits to ensure fairness and make their salary levels transparent. Women can also advocate on their own behalf by honing their negotiation skills and increasing their knowledge of the job market. We can all urge Congress to move on the long-stalled Paycheck Fairness Act. And of course you can join AAUW, where we’ll keep focusing on achieving pay equity for women in all fields — however long it takes.
 
57Brave said:
or why limit this conversation and use of data to only sport.

Even in High-Paying STEM Fields, Women Are Shortchanged
-By: Renee Davidson

April 14, 2015

Gender pay discrimination isn’t a myth; it’s math. Our latest research shows that among full-time, year-round workers in 2013, women were paid 78 percent of what men were paid.

/QUOTE]

Anyone who cites the 78 cents on the dollar figure has no interest in being intellectually honest about this issue.
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or, in higher education

from the Yale News

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/15/faculty-gender-pay-gap-persists/

Still, women may face disadvantages on their paths to full professorship. While the number of women on Yale’s faculty has risen in recent years — from 17 percent of tenured faculty University-wide in 2002 to 21 percent in 2007, partially due to an administrative initiative to hire women in fields that were predominantly male — Yale, along with many of its peer institutions, struggles to retain tenure-track women. The 2015 Harvard FAS dean’s report on faculty trends found that tenure-track women faculty at Harvard left in consistently high rates. The most striking reason many of these women left the school, the report said, was that “the culture of the department was not conducive to their productivity and was a significant factor in their decision to leave.”
....

this sentence speaks volumes.
Again, how do you quantify bias or discrimination or sexism or agism etc.
Wasn't it Justice Stevens who said, "I know it when I see it"
 
acesfull86 said:
57Brave said:
or why limit this conversation and use of data to only sport.

Even in High-Paying STEM Fields, Women Are Shortchanged
-By: Renee Davidson

April 14, 2015

Gender pay discrimination isn’t a myth; it’s math. Our latest research shows that among full-time, year-round workers in 2013, women were paid 78 percent of what men were paid.

/QUOTE]

Anyone who cites the 78 cents on the dollar figure has no interest in being intellectually honest about this issue.
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what is the real number? I can't say I've seen you dispute that number but I have seen Sturg == without offering a counter
$0.82 ?

Even if the number is 90 cents -- that constitutes a disparity you earlier denied
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57Brave said:
or why limit this conversation and use of data to only sport.

Even in High-Paying STEM Fields, Women Are Shortchanged
-By: Renee Davidson

April 14, 2015

Gender pay discrimination isn’t a myth; it’s math. Our latest research shows that among full-time, year-round workers in 2013, women were paid 78 percent of what men were paid. A gender pay gap persists in nearly every industry — even the high-paying science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers. Something’s got to give.

AAUW’s new research report, Solving the Equation: The Variables for Women’s Success in Engineering and Computing, found that even in the two STEM fields with the most and highest-paying job opportunities, women face a pay gap.

An AAUW analysis of the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2013 American Community Survey data found that overall, women in computer and mathematical occupations were paid 87 percent of what their male counterparts were paid. And in engineering and architecture, women were typically paid 82 percent of what their male counterparts were paid, or about $65,000 annually, compared to $79,000 for men. It seems that entering a high-paying field like engineering or computing still does not protect women against the pay gap.

pay-gap-in-STEM-01-infographic.png


In addition, the pay gap only gets worse as women dedicate more time to their careers. According to one study, today’s women are even more achievement-oriented than men are, yet women’s paychecks tell a different story. One study, highlighted in Solving the Equation, found that potential employers were willing to offer male applicants a higher salary for a science lab manager position than they would offer to equally qualified female applicants.

There’s plenty we can do to help close the gender pay gap in STEM, and in all fields. Companies can conduct job audits to ensure fairness and make their salary levels transparent. Women can also advocate on their own behalf by honing their negotiation skills and increasing their knowledge of the job market. We can all urge Congress to move on the long-stalled Paycheck Fairness Act. And of course you can join AAUW, where we’ll keep focusing on achieving pay equity for women in all fields — however long it takes.
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LOL!!! It's math.

Another classic.

The 78% number is so awful it's scary.

Here is some short reading for you...

http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/gender-pay-gap

When you actually include context, the gender pay gap is less than 3%

And that can probably be explained away by simple negotiation skills
 
sturg33 said:
Do you feel the same way about the WNBA.... you can't possibly think the product is the same? If you do, you've lost your mind
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Not really comparable. NBA is the cream of the basketball crop in the world. MLS is not even one of the top 10 leagues in the world for soccer. NWSL is the top league for women's soccer.
 
zitothebrave said:
Not really comparable. NBA is the cream of the basketball crop in the world. MLS is not even one of the top 10 leagues in the world for soccer. NWSL is the top league for women's soccer.
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I've gone to men's soccer games and I've gone to women's soccer games... and there is a noticeable difference in the speed and level of play... You disagree?
 
sturg33 said:
I've gone to men's soccer games and I've gone to women's soccer games... and there is a noticeable difference in the speed and level of play... You disagree?
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How long do you expect to keep this fiance ?
:)

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Even among top physicians, the gender wage gap remains.

Researchers from the University of Michigan Health System and Duke University found that among 800 physicians who received a highly competitive early career research grant, women earned an average of $12,194 less than men a year, when all other factors remained the same.

...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katetay...doctors-cant-escape-the-pay-gap/#7c9a10505127

Dr. Jagsi was careful to point out that she did not believe that the gender bias was conscious: “Increasingly, we see institutional leaders who want male and female faculty to succeed.” Instead, she points to psychological studies, including the major report by the United States Academy of Sciences, that have shown that both men and women tend to underestimate women’s work and abilities. This kind of statistical discrimination also leads employers to see women as more likely to take on greater household duties or take time off when they become mothers, despite the fact that within the sample women were proportionally less likely to have children.
 
sturg33 said:
I've gone to men's soccer games and I've gone to women's soccer games... and there is a noticeable difference in the speed and level of play... You disagree?
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Yes and no. I've been to top of th eline mens games, they're way faster. MLS has a bit better pace, but it's not filled with the best athletes.
 
If the pay gap were really 22%, someone would dominate their industry by exploiting the **** out of it by hiring only women. That noone has done that yet means either the gap is a myth or women aren't as capable as men.
 
keithlaw said:
If the pay gap were really 22%, someone would dominate their industry by exploiting the **** out of it by hiring only women. That noone has done that yet means either the gap is a myth or women aren't as capable as men.
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There are companies who only hire women. Really fun study from one of them where they basically said everyone got too catty.

I work at a job that's like 90% women. It's owned by a woman, and everyone is paid based on quality of work and time spent.
 
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