Meme & Quote Thread

b) the backlash in flyover America to an AA President

Just as small-town and rural America isn't "real America"—at least any more so than its cities—small-town and rural America cannot and should not be dismissed as "flyover America". That sort of smugness is, in no small part, why the Democratic Party is flailing and failing.

There are a lot of conflicting constituencies in the Democratic Party.

It may appear so. But labor and under-class solidarity should bridge those conflicts and bring those disparate constituencies into a single constituency—it's just that the liberal elite heading the party haven't or (more likely) won't recognize and actualize that fact.
 
Just as small-town and rural America isn't "real America"—at least any more so than its cities—small-town and rural America cannot and should not be dismissed as "flyover America". That sort of smugness is, in no small part, why the Democratic Party is flailing and failing.

Used flyover only because couldn't think of any other way to describe the area from western Pa to Eastern California.
Hadn't thought or intended that term in any sociological sense

It may appear so. But labor and under-class solidarity should bridge those conflicts and bring those disparate constituencies into a single constituency—it's just that the liberal elite heading the party haven't or (more likely) won't recognize and actualize that fact.

Seems the only (D) to accomplish that with any lasting is FDR.
Yeah, that is the goal

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Used flyover only because couldn't think of any other way to describe the area from western Pa to Eastern California.
Hadn't thought or intended that term in any sociological sense

Chicago is between those two places; so is Denver. Some pretty legit states like Minnesota and Montana, as well.

Seems the only (D) to accomplish that with any lasting is FDR.
Yeah, that is the goal

I think improving upon and expanding FDR's legacy is a pretty good goal, yes.
 
Eastern California

Not going to find very many (D)'s in the eastern part of California.

Also, strange way of phrasing that. I've heard California segmented in a hundred ways (Northern, Southern, Bay Area, San Fernando Valley, etc.), but never Eastern or Western California.
 
Alright. Say you work for $10 an hour—not actually the lowest possible wage, in this country—which equates to about $1600 a month, given a full-time, forty-hour-per-week job; then let's say (generously, since we don't know which state this hypothetical occurs in, et cetera) that, after taxes, that leaves about $1440 monthly. Folks tend to be forced to spend about 50% of their income on room&board, rent&utilities—whatever you want to call it—which leaves about $720 leftover for the remainder of the month. Say you're a single father or mother, which a couple children—things start to get pretty tight, even if you're working every available hour of your allotted forty. Most employment at that level—which covers a vast swatch of citizens of this country—doesn't come with any paid leave, or even the guarantee of leave when you want/need it. Even a half day off—$40, pre-tax—represents about a 2.5% loss of monthly earnings, or 5% reduction on what's left over after rent&utilities; a full day off represents twice that. Then say circumstances are less than perfect: last pay-period, you had to take two days off for yours or your children's illness—losing 20% of non-rent income—plus another half-day (generously) to obtain/renew government identification (another 5%). Now you're short from the previous pay-period, and wondering if you can afford to request another half-day off (again: generously, considering some of the lines for voting—particularly in states that restrict or do not have early/mail-in voting) just for the luxury of voting.

And all that's assuming your employer either can/will give you those partial or full shifts off. In many cases—especially service- and retail-type employment—that's a non-option.

I'm quite lucky, by many standards; you are too, I can assume, by virtue of your position on this issue. It's hard to appreciate what a luxury mere time can be, especially to take care of things that might legitimately be both "important matters" and luxuries in the face of even-more-important matters.

I'm still confused as to what types of employers you are talking about.

Even places that are minimum wage employers like the big box stores offer very flexible schedules to work weekends and have PTO. I think maybe you are overstating the difficulties while I'm understating them.
 
I think we all know what the intention of that comment was.

ah, "we know"
haven't heard that in a while

I'm not clever enough to crouch hidden meanings -
Guess I could have said
Louisiana Purchase states
or RedStates
or Rebel States
or Slave States
or Dumb****istahn

but I meant the geographical area between W Pa and Eastern California.
Or guess I could nave said the "Cling to Guns and God States"

But I used the term Flyover because that was a term I heard on local Right Wing radio today and it was the first description that came to mind
sheeesh
 
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Now anyone who covered the wikileaks are tools of the Russian government!!!

This has 6,000 retweets and 10k likes.
 
ah, "we know"

haven't heard that in a while

I'm not clever enough to crouch hidden meanings -

Guess I could have said

Louisiana Purchase states

or RedStates

or Rebel States

or Slave States

or Dumb****istahn

but I meant the geographical area between W Pa and Eastern California.

Or guess I could nave said the "Cling to Guns and God States"

But I used the term Flyover because that was a term I heard on local Right Wing radio today and it was the first description that came to mind

sheeesh

Yep, you used an innocent term with a dash of racism for no reason.
 
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Now anyone who covered the wikileaks are tools of the Russian government!!!

This has 6,000 retweets and 10k likes.

Apparently, the American people didn't have a right to learn about the Democrats corruption.
 
No - There were sources that said the CIA has concluded this.

There is a lot of weird stuff happening right now in Washington.


This is a pretty good article with some history on cyber-espionage and what is different about this latest episode.


During the 2008 presidential election, China hacked into the websites of both parties’ candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain—troubling, but hey, it was espionage, no big deal. In 2015, after China hacked the personnel records of millions of federal employers, a member of the House Intelligence Committee asked James Clapper, director of national intelligence, what he was going to do about this cyberattack. Clapper replied that the Chinese hadn’t launched an attack, exactly. They’d engaged in “passive intelligence-collection activity”—cyberespionage—“just as we do.”

In the present case, there would have been no ruckus if the Russians had simply hacked emails from the DNC and the Clinton campaign; that’s what intelligence agencies do, if they can: collect intelligence on what the presidential candidates and their close aides are saying and doing, what kinds of policies they might pursue.

What’s different this time around is that the Russians leaked cherry-picked excerpts of these stolen files to WikiLeaks, which passed them on to the scoop-happy mass media. In short, the Russians didn’t merely engage in “passive intelligence collection”; they weaponized what they collected. They didn’t merely hack files to learn about U.S. politics; they then strategically planted damaging bits from those files in order to shape U.S. politics.

There is no evidence—nor is anyone claiming there’s evidence—that the Russians tampered with voting machines or registration rolls. What is alleged (and is incontestably true, regardless of Russia’s motives) is that the contents of those emails damaged Hillary Clinton’s reputation.
 
Apparently, the American people didn't have a right to learn about the Democrats corruption.

Can we at least admit that if the hacking was done by the Russian government and that they also hacked, but withheld RNC emails that this is at least a big deal? It's not like the Trump campaign would have come out of this mess smelling like roses if their dirty laundry had been aired.
 
Can we at least admit that if the hacking was done by the Russian government and that they also hacked, but withheld RNC emails that this is at least a big deal? It's not like the Trump campaign would have come out of this mess smelling like roses if their dirty laundry had been aired.

I would have liked to see the RNC emails for sure. The thing is the emails confirmed what many thought about HRC.

It's not like nothing was leaked about Trump during the campaign (tax return - Access Hollywood Tape).

It's certainly suspicious if nothing was leaked on the RNC hack if that happened. But maybe it's because Russia would like an administration that is willing to work with them.

I'm all for shifting our alliances from China to Russia. I think that would be beneficial for a great many people. China is bad news and have been for a long time.
 
Yep, you used an innocent term with a dash of racism for no reason.

‘Real America’ is its own bubble

By Richard Cohen Opinion writer December 12 at 7:45 PM

This column is for Bernard Gibson, a good man from the state of Indiana. Late last month, NPR went out to Vigo County there to explain why it flipped from voting for Barack Obama in 2012 to Donald Trump in 2016. Gibson was one of those interviewed, and here is what he said: “These are real people here. These are not New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles. You know, these are real people that live every day from hand to hand, just have to work to make a living and everything else.”

Oh.

There are some things you ought to know, Mr. Gibson. I served in the Army. I worked at blue-collar jobs. I washed dishes and bused tables. I went to college at night and worked during the day for an insurance company (as the legendary “Cohen of Claims”). My father was raised in an orphanage, and my mother was an immigrant from Poland whose first childhood memory was of hunger. Somehow, despite all of that, I am called a member of the “elite.” If so, I damned well earned it.

[Trump voters — it’s not me, it’s you]

I do not mean to pick on Gibson, a real person after all, but I am tired of being told by him and others that I am not quite a genuine American because I did not vote for Trump or because I live on one of the coasts. I want to point out to Gibson that there are more of us than there are of him. At least 2.8 million more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for Trump. That does not mean Clinton won the election — she lost the electoral college, and that’s what counts — but it is nevertheless true that Clinton was the candidate not just of the limousine set, but of most voters.

After the election, I was repeatedly told that I live in something called a “bubble” and, because of that, I know nothing about my fellow Americans. Well, in the first place, my bubble is bigger than theirs — size ought to matter in this instance — and in the second place, I know plenty. Among the things I know is that Trump voters were played for suckers. After lambasting Clinton as a tool of Wall Street, Trump has so far named four Wall Street figures to his administration — three from Goldman Sachs alone — and an oilman is under consideration. And for the Labor Department, Trump has chosen Andrew Puzder, a fast-food magnate (Hardee’s and Carl’s Jr.) who is opposed to a decent minimum wage. This is fast shaping up as a Cabinet of billionaires and, just for leveling, the occasional millionaire. So far, ain’t no one who works with his hands.

Ever since the days of Jefferson and Madison and their veneration of “yeoman farmers” (some of whom owned slaves), we have been a bit gaga over our rural cousins, associating acreage with wisdom. Whatever the case, Americans have so totally fled the farm that now only 2 percent of us till the legendary fields. The country has not had a rural majority since 1920. Nevertheless, our electoral system favors the country mouse. The city mouse can vote or not vote — it often amounts to the same thing.

As it happens, Mr. Gibson, I have plenty of sympathy for typical Trump voters. (I exclude the alt-right and other menaces to the public good, such as Rudy Giuliani.) I have written about cultural dislocation and I understand the corrosive effect of diminished expectations. Clinton talked about the glass ceiling, but too many American workers — or former workers — had to contend with a cement one: jobs that were gone and not coming back. We in the bubble understand. Truly, we do.

But I will not concede that a greater wisdom exists in what is known as “flyover country.” It has voted for a charlatan, a blinged ignoramus who has promised the past as the future. Trump, who lives in a gilded bubble of his own, cannot reverse automation, replace robots with people or blunt American businesses’ compulsive search for the cheapest workforce.

Gibson is one thing. I understand. What I cannot understand is fellow bubble dwellers who tell me, with an air of impeccable condescension, that a vote for Trump was such proof of their own superior wisdom that it eclipsed all doubts about his qualifications, his temperament, his honesty in business and his veracity in speech. These people live in a bubble of their own. It is one that excludes the lesson of history and the demands of common sense. It will burst.
 
I would have liked to see the RNC emails for sure. The thing is the emails confirmed what many thought about HRC.

It's not like nothing was leaked about Trump during the campaign (tax return - Access Hollywood Tape).

It's certainly suspicious if nothing was leaked on the RNC hack if that happened. But maybe it's because Russia would like an administration that is willing to work with them.

I'm all for shifting our alliances from China to Russia. I think that would be beneficial for a great many people. China is bad news and have been for a long time.

We have never really had an alliance with China and the last time we really formally cooperated with Russia was WWII. We have had trade agreements and the like, but these countries--neither of them--are on our side. I rarely agree with John McCain and Mitch McConnell, but their comments yesterday about Russia not being "our friend" is a sentiment with which I fully agree. China may be dinking around in the South China Sea, but that is peanuts compared to Russia seizing Crimea and making all kinds of trouble in the Ukraine (and the Baltics in coming attractions).

I don't know what Trump and company is actually after here. There may be some areas of agreement on fighting ISIS (and admittedly Russia has a lot of experience thwarting dissent--religious and otherwise--inside their borders), but if Trump is clumsy, I can see Europe being placed in a vise and I don't see how that is in our long term interests.

As for the hacks, the one thing I find most interesting is that the Democratic Party is a private entity, much like a corporation. As I've said on here a number of times (and I've been derided by some for my comments, which is no big deal to me as I am a big boy), there was nothing in those e-mails that hasn't happened at some level or another since the election of 1800. Politics is a rough and dirty business and the stuff revealed through the hacks is small potatoes compared to Nixon's or LBJ's shenanigans. But getting back to my original point, how would Americans feel if the Russians hacked our banks? Our insurance companies? That's the troubling part to me.
 
I am actually more troubled by the hacks into RNC servers.

I read a blog yesterday on why the National Security Industrial Complex has yet to act or even announce what they have.
The reasons ran from there are imminent arrests, to blackmail

We know what Wikileaks had on (D).
But it is what we don't know ...

I will try to find that blog and pass it along. It is an interesting read
 
Speculation by Barton Gellman

1/ US intelligence does keep some secrets. Here are two hypotheticals. One is that the FBI has identified specific Russian perpetrators...

2/ of the election hacks and obtained sealed indictments, pending an operation to capture them. Another is that CIA or NSA

3/ have substantially more than circumstantial evidence of Putin's direct involvement and intent in the election hacking.

4/ Public disclosure of the former could make arrest and prosecution of criminal hackers much harder. Public disclosure of the latter ...

5/ would presumably blow an extraordinarily valuable intelligence source or NSA access. The FBI, CIA and NSA would be loath to pay ...

6/ those costs. The dilemmas are genuine. But if either scenario is true, and I have no inside information here, then it is hard...

7/ to think of a more consequential set of facts. The stakes don't get much higher than a hostile nation weaponizing intelligence...

8/ for the purpose of tipping a presidential election. This is a secret that simply cannot be withheld from a self-governing people.

9/ I won't debate distracting claims: Democratic motives, FBI double standards, CIA interventions overseas. This moment is nonpareil. [END]
.................................................................................

hostile nation weaponizing intelligence.
 
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NOW I'M GONNA SLEEP WITH YOUR WIFE
 
I would have liked to see the RNC emails for sure. The thing is the emails confirmed what many thought about HRC.

It's not like nothing was leaked about Trump during the campaign (tax return - Access Hollywood Tape).

It's certainly suspicious if nothing was leaked on the RNC hack if that happened. But maybe it's because Russia would like an administration that is willing to work with them.

I'm all for shifting our alliances from China to Russia. I think that would be beneficial for a great many people. China is bad news and have been for a long time.

That still seems like something worthy of investigating, no?
 
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