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weso1 said:
That's pure bull****. It could potentially be bigger than watergate, but we need a lot more info than we have now.
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We all but know for a fact that Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign conspired, worked together and/or colluded to influence and ultimately throw an American Presidential election. If there were any objectivity left in the world this would be the biggest story of the century. Unless you think they were communicating back and forth about the weather.
 
weso1 said:
That's pure bull****. It could potentially be bigger than watergate, but we need a lot more info than we have now.
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We all but know for a fact that Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign conspired, worked together and/or colluded to influence and ultimately throw an American Presidential election. If there were any objectivity left in the world this would be the biggest story of the century. Unless you think they were communicating back and forth about the weather.
 
Runnin said:
We all but know for a fact that Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign conspired, worked together and/or colluded to influence and ultimately throw an American Presidential election. If there were any objectivity left in the world this would be the biggest story of the century. Unless you think they were communicating back and forth about the weather.
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Fake News. We don't know that.
 
Runnin said:
We all but know for a fact that Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign conspired, worked together and/or colluded to influence and ultimately throw an American Presidential election. If there were any objectivity left in the world this would be the biggest story of the century. Unless you think they were communicating back and forth about the weather.
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we know wikileaks has specifically said Russia wasnt the source. We know wikileaks has never had anything they released discredited as fake. We know wikileaks have implied the source came from withing the DNC. We know wikileaks has offered a reward for information about the murder of Seth Rich who was a DNC staff member shortly after the leaks came out. We know Hillary takes money from people who fund ISIS and thatbshe knows that. We know Hillary used a personal server to avoid freedom of information requests. We know Hillary lied umpteen millions times about the emails.

And sure, if Russia did leak the emails all they did was expose government corruption. Only hardcore statists get mad at government corruption being exposed. I welcome any and all leaks about corruption, even if it was about my guy Ron Paul.
 
Runnin said:
We all but know for a fact that Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign conspired, worked together and/or colluded to influence and ultimately throw an American Presidential election. If there were any objectivity left in the world this would be the biggest story of the century. Unless you think they were communicating back and forth about the weather.
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LOL... wow.

The intelligence agency has been heavy on accusation and non-existent on evidence.
 
cajunrevenge said:
And sure, if Russia did leak the emails all they did was expose government corruption. Only hardcore statists get mad at government corruption being exposed. I welcome any and all leaks about corruption, even if it was about my guy Ron Paul.
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What government corruption did they uncover by hacking DNC emails ?
 
So it leaves me wondering, to whom are the intelligence agencies accountable? Evidently no one. Who knows if they’re telling the truth? Only they do. What are their true aims? We have no way to know. They are, in fact, an unelected shadow government with the unprecedented power of almost limitless information on all citizens and residents of the U.S., and likely other countries as well.

We all recall the mystery of weapons of mass destruction that led up to the Iraq war. Did the intelligence agencies misinform George W. Bush? Maybe he didn’t lie; maybe they did. I’m starting to wonder. Is Russia responsible for the Podesta email leak? How do we know? Because they said so? How do we know it wasn’t the intelligence apparatus itself?
 
. Kinda the nature of their business - to deceive
Wasn't the guys alias that had evidence of WMD - Curveball

This is new ?
 
57Brave said:
. Kinda the nature of their business - to deceive
Wasn't the guys alias that had evidence of WMD - Curveball

This is new ?
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I don't understand... are you arguing my point now?

Runnin says we know for a fact that blah blah blah... we know nothing. We know what the intelligency agency claims, which means nothing to me without evidence.

Remember the golden showers leaks? Yeah... WE KNOW FOR A FACT
 
sturg33 said:
So it leaves me wondering, to whom are the intelligence agencies accountable? Evidently no one. Who knows if they’re telling the truth? Only they do. What are their true aims? We have no way to know. They are, in fact, an unelected shadow government with the unprecedented power of almost limitless information on all citizens and residents of the U.S., and likely other countries as well.

We all recall the mystery of weapons of mass destruction that led up to the Iraq war. Did the intelligence agencies misinform George W. Bush? Maybe he didn’t lie; maybe they did. I’m starting to wonder. Is Russia responsible for the Podesta email leak? How do we know? Because they said so? How do we know it wasn’t the intelligence apparatus itself?
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I think this is a very good point. Do we need a separate agency having this much power/information and the president not being privy to it? I see their point too, IF they think there's a mole, or just a loose canon in the president's entourage they have to keep it from him/them, but that's a bad idea too.
 
sturg33 said:
So it leaves me wondering, to whom are the intelligence agencies accountable? Evidently no one. Who knows if they’re telling the truth? Only they do. What are their true aims? We have no way to know. They are, in fact, an unelected shadow government with the unprecedented power of almost limitless information on all citizens and residents of the U.S., and likely other countries as well.

We all recall the mystery of weapons of mass destruction that led up to the Iraq war. Did the intelligence agencies misinform George W. Bush? Maybe he didn’t lie; maybe they did. I’m starting to wonder. Is Russia responsible for the Podesta email leak? How do we know? Because they said so? How do we know it wasn’t the intelligence apparatus itself?
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You should read the Church Report from the 70's . The Senate inquiry after Watergate and the rash of assassinations.

Spyin' is some rough **** - and no, they really aren't accountable.
Again, it is the nature of intellegence.
Secrecy
 
sturg33 said:
I don't understand... are you arguing my point now?

Runnin says we know for a fact that blah blah blah... we know nothing. We know what the intelligency agency claims, which means nothing to me without evidence.

Remember the golden showers leaks? Yeah... WE KNOW FOR A FACT
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I'm not arguing any point.
I take whatever comes publicly from the intelligence community with a skeptical grain of salt.
I posted the reports when they came out and qualified those posts with "unsubstantiated"

With Trumps history - the reports are believable. Butthat is how that stuff works - huh?
Just like HRC throwing an ashtray
 
weso1 said:
That's pure bull****. It could potentially be bigger than watergate, but we need a lot more info than we have now.
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FWIW, I agree.

Particularly in an environment where the opposition is in hair-on-fire freakout mode about every minor outrage du jour, this kind of hyperbole isn't necessarily productive. I'm certainly guilty of offloading my personal disgust with the Trump administration and its enablers in a way that propagates this. Several folks on the board have noted the danger of crying wolf en masse, and they have a point.

WRT to the Russian hacking/collusion issue, my bottom line is that there seems to be enough smoke to warrant a thorough and searching inquiry, and that support for such an inquiry ought to be a must, regardless of party or ideology. My personal opinion is that it's potentially every bit as bad as some of us think, and that it could turn out to be a big nothing...and that there's still plenty of room for something in between. My real hope is that there's enough decency and backbone in our institutions to credibly and transparently pursue some answers.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't understand... are you arguing my point now?

Runnin says we know for a fact that blah blah blah... we know nothing. We know what the intelligency agency claims, which means nothing to me without evidence.

Remember the golden showers leaks? Yeah... WE KNOW FOR A FACT
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I actually wrote, "all but" as a slight disclaimer. We know that Hillary's private emails were leaked at highly conspicuous times and it's been reported time and again, in a rather understated and matter of fact way, that it came from Russian hackers. No, I couldn't believe it at first either but it did fit a pattern.

The Flynn resignation, which was based on recordings and texts gathered by intelligence agencies, in my view gives validity to claims that they also have proof the Trump campaign was in contact with the Ruskies before the election. We shall see.

I have next to no faith in any congressional investigation and even less in one controlled by the GOP.
 
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QUESTION: Trump has said nobody in his campaign has been in contact w/ Russian officials. Do you believe him?

McCONNELL: "I have no idea."

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Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS 2m2 minutes ago

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If only Mitch McConnell were a member of an institution that is empowered to get to the bottom of such questions.
 
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