As much as we've been linked to Bradley in the past, I would assume he would be coming our way in such a deal.
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As much as we've been linked to Bradley in the past, I would assume he would be coming our way in such a deal.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I dont see a fit unless LA misses on Cueto, Shark, Kazmir and Iwakuma.
We could get a real nice 4 for 1 type deal from the Giants. Joe Panik, Susac, Mac Williamson, Ray Black/Beede type deal but I'm just not seeing the impact guys that would make me want to do it.
We don't match up well with the Giants at all.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
But let's remember the Cubs were crappy for five straight years, which netted them the draft slots to land Bryant, Schwarber, and Baez and Beane's momentary lapse in judgment gave the Cubs Russell and McKinney. Add that to a fat wallet and it's hard not to make significant improvement.
UNCBlue012
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Stark: Diamondbacks aren't done. Still plan to add a starter thru free agency or trade and still in the bullpen market. NL West getting interesting
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
They'll get a pick back when Fowler signs.
May lose it if they get in on Heyward though.
Ok, and the Braves had talents like Heyward, JUp, Kimbrel, Simmons and Wood to trade. They still couldn't manage to get any offensive talent to speak of other than some fringe top 150 guys and Olivera. With their latest top pick they got a guy who just had back surgery at the ripe old age of 17.
Sorry, but the Cubs rebuild makes the Braves look like armchair GMs playing a video game. They wasted a lot of resources to clear salary for seasons they are going to be terrible no matter what, so what was the point of clearing that salary and getting lesser returns on the traded assets?
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Go be a cubs fan then.. I think the sign up day is in March.. I haven't been on board with everything the FO has or has not done... but I am not going to whine that they didn't get good value in many trades. They have made good decisions for the most part. Yes, I will disagree with certain moves.. but to say what they have done is a failure after 1.5 years is idiotic..
Deester11
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I agree with this so much. I hated a few moves but on the whole it was needed. Argue the return. I get it. But I'm willing to see this through. A fan can gripe...we all do but there are other teams if this one is not your flavor. I do think Coppy and team need to make with the bats.
The Cubs have a great FO, no question. But the Cubs weren't ever in a position of having to try to add position talent through trades. In fact, the one trade where they did get really good positional talent was when trading a pitcher....so....why don't we wait and see what we do with all the pitching before jumping to conclusions?
The Cubs are in going on year 5 of their rebuild. We're going into year 2.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Heyward and JUpton were on expiring deals, what exactly kinda return were you expecting for them?
Kimbrel was a salary dump with BJ, Wood was good but hardly an ace.
Simmons TBD.
Go be a Cubs fan.
We're in Year 2 of our rebuild, Cubs are in Year 5 i believe.
Runnin
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To restock the farm with young pitching.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Two of whom were slated for free agency for which we would have gotten a draft pick if we had come forward with a QO (which might have been difficult to do for both guys given salary constraints).
I'm not satisfied with every trade. I thought the deadline deals were kind of out there, but I'll start complaining in 2020.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Hold on everyone. Let's put down the pitchforks and torches.
Enscheff and I don't always agree and we don't here BUT I do see the point being made I think which is that the Cubs plan was very straightforward and easy to understand while, so far, the Braves plan isn't due to questionable and sometimes bizarre moves that aren't easy to see how they fit. For example, the Markakis signing made zero sense given the direction of the team. Trade Wood? Fine. Needed to be done. But the return of a 31 YO prospect who had never had a meaningful ML at bat and hardly any minor league at bats, a guy who likely will be pushing 35 before the rebuild as pursued is likely complete, is hard to accept.
The timing on the trades is questionable as well. Trade Simmons? OK. Needed to be done. BUT, would it not have been better to try and move him back at the deadline, maybe along with Wood, and actually get some really useful returns from the Dodgers? But, it's like they still didn't have a full vision of what they wanted to do and only decided to move Simmons this offseason.
Some of these guys are going to pan out and some won't. And the JUpton, MUpton, Kimbrel and Heyward trades all HAD to be done. Had to. If you're honest and have looked at the payroll obligations, the overall lack of talent at the ML and ml levels, and the unlikelihood of a significant payroll increase at least before 2017, then the rebuild HAD to happen. So, I am willing to give them a pass on those trades. But, everything since, including the signing of Markakis (which in fairness may have happened before they decided to rebuild) has been hit or miss and doesn't follow what I would consider a logical straight line path to a most effiecient rebuild.
Enscheff and I don't always agree and we don't here BUT I do see the point being made I think which is that the Cubs plan was very straightforward and easy to understand while, so far, the Braves plan isn't due to questionable and sometimes bizarre moves that aren't easy to see how they fit. For example, the Markakis signing made zero sense given the direction of the team. Trade Wood? Fine. Needed to be done. But the return of a 31 YO prospect who had never had a meaningful ML at bat and hardly any minor league at bats, a guy who likely will be pushing 35 before the rebuild as pursued is likely complete, is hard to accept.
The timing on the trades is questionable as well. Trade Simmons? OK. Needed to be done. BUT, would it not have been better to try and move him back at the deadline, maybe along with Wood, and actually get some really useful returns from the Dodgers? But, it's like they still didn't have a full vision of what they wanted to do and only decided to move Simmons this offseason.
Some of these guys are going to pan out and some won't. And the JUpton, MUpton, Kimbrel and Heyward trades all HAD to be done. Had to. If you're honest and have looked at the payroll obligations, the overall lack of talent at the ML and ml levels, and the unlikelihood of a significant payroll increase at least before 2017, then the rebuild HAD to happen. So, I am willing to give them a pass on those trades. But, everything since, including the signing of Markakis (which in fairness may have happened before they decided to rebuild) has been hit or miss and doesn't follow what I would consider a logical straight line path to a most effiecient rebuild.
NYCBrave
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I don't 100% agree with the moves the Braves are making, but the Cubs rebuild? Pretty poor comparison. First off, they hadn't made the playoffs in 7 years before this year.
In addition to picking extremely high in multiple years (Bryant, Shwarber, Baez), they've had big money to spend in international market (Soler, Castro), big money to spend on free agents (Lester), some of which we haven't seen yet, and also got extremely lucky in player development (Rizzo and Arrieta were pretty much given up on by organizations).
So what really did the Cubs do that has laid a blueprint for us to follow?
Yes the Cubbies did a great job hitting on their positional players they drafted and acquired through trades. But it's taken them 5 years to reach this point. And they also made some boneheaded decisions along the way (signing Edwin Jackson, trading away DJ LaMahieu).
Did the Cubbies do it right? It would seem so. But I doubt the Braves will be down for 5 years like the Cubs. We've added a ton of talent to the system and still have some good talent at the ML level. And at some point, we'll spend some money on Jon Lester type of FA as well.
Did the Cubbies do it right? It would seem so. But I doubt the Braves will be down for 5 years like the Cubs. We've added a ton of talent to the system and still have some good talent at the ML level. And at some point, we'll spend some money on Jon Lester type of FA as well.