Minor

Heyward said:
David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC
#Braves indicate Minor likely to be brought back in 2016, though nothing certain.

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Mike Minor has been throwing for a while now, is expected to throw off mound for first time in about 3 weeks.
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With all due respect to DOB, I'm not sure we should take much from this report. Minor is under control through 2017 and actively rehabbing. So I wouldn't expect DOB's front office source to saying anything less than he'll "likely" be back. I can't imagine they would say something publicly like . . . "Well, we're not sure." or "We're not planning on tendering him a contract." I think the Braves are smart to see what he looks like in his throwing program this Fall before making any decisions. They don't owe a decision to him until the non-tender deadline in December.
 
dak said:
With all due respect to DOB, I'm not sure we should take much from this report. Minor is under control through 2017 and actively rehabbing. So I wouldn't expect DOB's front office source to saying anything less than he'll "likely" be back. I can't imagine they would say something publicly like . . . "Well, we're not sure." or "We're not planning on tendering him a contract." I think the Braves are smart to see what he looks like in his throwing program this Fall before making any decisions. They don't owe a decision to him until the non-tender deadline in December.
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Yeah, IIRC the intimations from the FO re: Medlen/Beachy were similar.

That said, DOB rarely ever sticks his neck on the line about anything.
 
Hawk said:
Yeah, IIRC the intimations from the FO re: Medlen/Beachy were similar.

That said, DOB rarely ever sticks his neck on the line about anything.
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It's hard to argue they didn't try to bring Medlen back given their offer to him. I thought it was more than fair and that KC overpaid him given his situation.
 
KB21 said:
Well, technically, he had a scope put into his shoulder joint, and the damage was found. Usually, what happens with an injury to the labrum is that the labrum is separated from the glenoid fossa. The repair is to take sutures and anchors and re-attach the labrum to the glenoid. We keep our post op SLAP repairs immobilized for 3 weeks after surgery and then start PT for passive range of motion with no abduction and no flexion above 90 degrees. Our labral repairs do quite well, but my surgeon isn't operating on world class pitchers either.
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Thanks for sharing that. Excellent info.

So, labrum to glenoid, why do you suppose that reattachment is so problematic for pitchers? I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is that 95% functionality is probably a full recovery among the general population, while for a pitcher throwing 91, it's now 86 and he's plumbing or working construction- or, in Minor's case, maybe a pissed off engineer sneering his way through life.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Thanks for sharing that. Excellent info.

So, labrum to glenoid, why do you suppose that reattachment is so problematic for pitchers? I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is that 95% functionality is probably a full recovery among the general population, while for a pitcher throwing 91, it's now 86 and he's plumbing or working construction- or, in Minor's case, maybe a pissed off engineer sneering his way through life.
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Because their is so much kinetic force that is applied to the shoulder with the overhand throwing motion. The force that a major league pitcher exerts onto his shoulder is enough to basically rip the ligamentous capsule apart.
 
Just let him go. On the FA market he would get a $1M deal with incentives up to $5M, so guaranteeing $5M is just flat out stupid.

Even if he does make it back to something resembling Mike Minor, nobody is going to trade for a guy fresh off shoulder surgery, so the risk simply isn't worth it.

The Braves won't have money to sign an impact bat for 2016 because they keep wasting it on guys like Swisher, Bourn and Minor.
 
Enscheff said:
Just let him go. On the FA market he would get a $1M deal with incentives up to $5M, so guaranteeing $5M is just flat out stupid.

Even if he does make it back to something resembling Mike Minor, nobody is going to trade for a guy fresh off shoulder surgery, so the risk simply isn't worth it.

The Braves won't have money to sign an impact bat for 2016 because they keep wasting it on guys like Swisher, Bourn and Minor.
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Didn't we save money in the CJ for Swisher/Bourn/Cash deal?
 
zbhargrove said:
Didn't we save money in the CJ for Swisher/Bourn/Cash deal?
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No, the Braves are actually paying a few million more overall, and are paying significantly more in 2016 to save CJ's salary in 2017. Problem is, there aren't many FAs worth spending on for 2017.

This offseason is the one to grab an impact guy or two, and the money wasted on Swisher, Bourn and now Minor prevents any such acquisition.
 
Not exactly true. Teams don't (or at least they shouldn't) base acquisitions on the basis of how it only fits into the current years payroll. Any long term deal given out would be with the knowledge that Bourn and Swisher are very short term acquisitions and won't affect future payrolls.

And even if what you said were true, we could always backload a contract to make it fit for 2016.
 
Carp said:
Not exactly true. Teams don't (or at least they shouldn't) base acquisitions on the basis of how it only fits into the current years payroll. Any long term deal deal given out would be with the knowledge that Bourn and Swisher are very short term acquisitions. And won't affect future payrolls.

And even if what you said were true, we could always backload a contract to make it fit for 2016.
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What he said. We have plenty of financial flexibility. Now, will we choose to spend it in FA on long term contracts that might erase that flexibility is the question. I don't think we will.
 
Enscheff said:
No, the Braves are actually paying a few million more overall, and are paying significantly more in 2016 to save CJ's salary in 2017. Problem is, there aren't many FAs worth spending on for 2017.

This offseason is the one to grab an impact guy or two, and the money wasted on Swisher, Bourn and now Minor prevents any such acquisition.
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Well... I don't think that's really enough to prevent us from signing an impact bat if we want to. Still agree about letting Minor go... but I for one and glad to see CJ out and Bourn/Swisher could end up having some value next year.
 
zbhargrove said:
Well... I don't think that's really enough to prevent us from signing an impact bat if we want to. Still agree about letting Minor go... but I for one and glad to see CJ out and Bourn/Swisher could end up having some value next year.
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Doubtful IMO, but having CJ off the books in 2017 is worth it to me even if they don't.
 
I agree. Although I think Bourn will be useful, I am not optimistic that Swisher will be worth anything more than a decent bench bat with pop.
 
Carp said:
I agree. Although I think Bourn will be useful, I am not optimistic that Swisher will be worth anything more than a decent bench bat with pop.
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Just get that sneaky feeling that Bourn becomes next year's EYJ.
 
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