MINORS THREAD TUESDAY 4/18 ... Final results

[jpx7]

Ok Newk.. no walks today..

I'm still not holding my breath with Newcomb. At this point, I'll be reasonably satisfied if he becomes a great reliever—which would mean the Braves really failed to get great value for Simmons.

 

[mfree80]

I'm still not holding my breath with Newcomb. At this point, I'll be reasonably satisfied if he becomes a great reliever—which would mean the Braves really failed to get great value for Simmons.

We can pick apart each trade and declare a lot of them to be stupid based on the outcomes of the individuals acquired.... On the other hand, we know that the bust rate for prospects is really high. The Braves have put themselves in a position where a 25% success rate on prospects acquired will bring a very good team in the near future.

Some will not work out as well as hoped and others will be much better than expected. Yeah, we want a sure thing for Simmons, and maybe it won't happen. But someone else like maybe Demerette or Jackson may be much better than expected.

Picking apart each trade will leave a lot to criticize, but the big picture leaves a lot of room for optimism.

 

[sturg33]

Newcomb needs to figure it out and soon... what is, he 24 now?

 

[thethe]

Newcomb needs to figure it out and soon... what is, he 24 now?

This is reasonable. He's definitely not a young pup. There's still time though.

 

[Braves1976]

Newcomb needs to figure it out and soon... what is, he 24 now?

He is 23 but this is his age 24 season as he turns 24 in June.

 

[Enscheff]

Newcomb is like a Johnson/Kershaw hybrid. Those kinds of arms take a while to figure out thier control.

 

[msstate7]

Newcomb is like a Johnson/Kershaw hybrid. Those kinds of arms take a while to figure out thier control.

I was thinking randy Johnson/Nolan Ryan. Newcomb may issue the most walks, but he'll also lead the league in strike outs. We'll be comparing youngsters to Newcomb before long. Deal with it

 

[mqt]

Newcomb is like a Johnson/Kershaw hybrid. Those kinds of arms take a while to figure out thier control.

Snark aside, Newcomb does fit the profile of a pitcher that could blossom later than others.

 

[sturg33]

The Powerhouse front office traded (headliners)

Heyward
Upton
Simmons
Kimbrel

for

Miller
Fried
Newcomb
Wisler

Thank God for Dave Stewart

 

[Southcack77]

Snark aside, Newcomb does fit the profile of a pitcher that could blossom later than others.

Perhaps even in the third or fourth game of the minor league season.

 

[Enscheff]

I was thinking randy Johnson/Nolan Ryan. Newcomb may issue the most walks, but he'll also lead the league in strike outs. We'll be comparing youngsters to Newcomb before long. Deal with it

So does this hybrid throw with both hands? Let's at least keep these comparisons realistic , ok?

 

[zbhargrove]

I think we pretty much agree, though I may like Wiegel a bit better than you. I think both he and Blair have a shot. I just left them out as I was focusing on my top three starter options and named Sims as someone who I could see having success still as a starter but also he could be a dominate reliever, even a closer IMO. Lastly, it seems we also agree on Jackson so nothing to debate there either. This might be the most we've agreed about multiple prospects in one post, lol.

Lol... don't get me wrong... I love Wiegel... just want to see him keep it up. He's got some major gas.

 

[TheBravos]

The Powerhouse front office traded (headliners)

Heyward

Upton

Simmons

Kimbrel

for

Miller

Fried

Newcomb

Wisler

Thank God for Dave Stewart

When you put it that way ...ouch. Uptown trade turned out "ok". Simmons trade and Kimbrel trade was pitiful.

Newcomb will struggle like Folty. They might as well bring him up and sink or swim at the deadline.

 

[sturg33]

When you put it that way ...ouch. Uptown trade turned out "ok". Simmons trade and Kimbrel trade was pitiful.

Newcomb will struggle like Folty. They might as well bring him up and sink or swim at the deadline.

I'd also say Hewyard for Miller turned out awful too. Since the trade his overall numbers are bad

We later got a gift from stewart

 

[thethe]

I'd also say Hewyard for Miller turned out awful too. Since the trade his overall numbers are bad

We later got a gift from stewart

What about Heywards numbers since the trade if you are going to use that argument?

 

[sturg33]

What about Heywards numbers since the trade if you are going to use that argument?

Heyward while under the contract we traded was fantastic

 

[thethe]

Heyward while under the contract we traded was fantastic

What an odd counter argument. Since the deal Heyward/Miller have each had 1 good year and 1 dreadful year. Seems pretty even to me. What about how Upton has done since the deal? Your bias is showing sir.

 

[sturg33]

Heyward one season (6 war) was 50% better than Shelby's last 2 seasons (4 war). Miller will need to pick up this and next year to match his output

 

[sturg33]

Upton put up 3.5 WAR in the contract we gave up.

We got 0.5 from Mallex. Friend obviously has a chance to make that deal OK

Simmons has put up 3.4 WAR (and counting) since we traded him... Newcomb needs to pick it up

Kimbrel has put up 3.2 WAR (and counting) since we traded him... Wisler needs to pick it up

 

[striker42]

Newcomb gave up 4 ER without recording an out. He didn't give up another ER through 4.2 IP after that (1 unearned). This guy just hits stretches where his mechanics get out of whack and he can't locate. Then he'll suddenly get it back and be untouchable.