MLB sends 2 new rule changes to Union

Hawk said:
Another rule change being weighed by Major League Baseball is more radical and would put a runner on second base at the onset of extra innings, reports Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. The league is planning to test the scenario in the lowest levels of the minor leagues, according to Passan, and there’s already at least one proponent of the idea among the league’s top decision-makers: MLB chief baseball officer Joe Torre.

“Let’s see what it looks like,” Torre told Passan. “It’s not fun to watch when you go through your whole pitching staff and wind up bringing a utility infielder in to pitch. As much as it’s nice to talk about being at an 18-inning game, it takes time. … What really initiated it is sitting in the dugout in the 15th inning and realizing everybody is going to the plate trying to hit a home run and everyone is trying to end the game themselves. I don’t know what inning is the right inning. Maybe the 11th or 12th inning. But there are a number of reasons.”

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Yeah, **** that.
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I don't want to rag on statheads, because this really isn't their fault. But if managers quit playing match-up with relief pitchers in the sixth inning, maybe they wouldn't run out of pitchers. The deep analysis available to managers gives them a lot more in terms of utilizing effective options, but that doesn't mean they have to start employing them as early as they do. The reluctance to roll the dice is what is emptying bullpens.
 
FreemanFan said:
That sounds like one of Bud Selig's brilliant ideas. I can live with the intentional walk change, but I don't see how giving the visiting team a free double in extra innings makes any sense. Would it only be at the top of the 10th inning or at the start of all subsequent innings? Either way, it gets two thumbs down from me.
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It would lead to a ton of leadoff bunts. It's very stupid.
 
I like the runner on second. Basic premise as college football overtime rules where you start out overtime in scoring position.
 
Russ2dollas said:
no. it's awful. It's not baseball.

Everyone would bunt the runner to third. Then look for a sac fly to win the game.
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Agreed. And I love the rationale that everybody starts going up trying to hit home runs. Uh, ok...so tell them to stop doing that. This is again a counter-intuitive and illogical rule proposal. 'Games are being dragged out too long because managers are using up their bullpens too early and hitters start swinging for the fences every AB in extra innings. Solution? Put a man on 2B to start each half of an inning once you hit the 10th.'

The heck?
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't want to rag on statheads, because this really isn't their fault. But if managers quit playing match-up with relief pitchers in the sixth inning, maybe they wouldn't run out of pitchers. The deep analysis available to managers gives them a lot more in terms of utilizing effective options, but that doesn't mean they have to start employing them as early as they do. The reluctance to roll the dice is what is emptying bullpens.
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Excessive pitching changes are the main culprit behind the slow games. Manager brings in a right handed pitcher to face a right handed batter. Opposing manager then pinch hits with a left-hander. Next batter is left handed, so now we get another pitching change to bring back a lefty. Manager then pinch hits again with another right handed hitter. Rinse and repeat multiple times from the 6th-7th inning on in reasonably close games.

Require all pitchers who enter a game to either face three batters, record two outs, or pitch to the end of an inning before being lifted. In addition to shortening the games, this would also end the abomination that is the 13 pitcher staff, and would do away with guys like 60 year old Jesse Orosco who pitch in 70 games and have 30 IP.
 
DirkPiggler said:
Excessive pitching changes are the main culprit behind the slow games. Manager brings in a right handed pitcher to face a right handed batter. Opposing manager then pinch hits with a left-hander. Next batter is left handed, so now we get another pitching change to bring back a lefty. Manager then pinch hits again with another right handed hitter. Rinse and repeat multiple times from the 6th-7th inning on in reasonably close games.

Require all pitchers who enter a game to either face three batters, record two outs, or pitch to the end of an inning before being lifted. In addition to shortening the games, this would also end the abomination that is the 13 pitcher staff, and would do away with guys like 60 year old Jesse Orosco who pitch in 70 games and have 30 IP.
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As most everyone here knows, I am way old (if being in one's 60s is way old) and in an earlier era, it wasn't that rare to have a relief pitcher throw more than 100 innings (or at least 1.5 IP per appearance). You never see that now.
 
DirkPiggler said:
Excessive pitching changes are the main culprit behind the slow games. Manager brings in a right handed pitcher to face a right handed batter. Opposing manager then pinch hits with a left-hander. Next batter is left handed, so now we get another pitching change to bring back a lefty. Manager then pinch hits again with another right handed hitter. Rinse and repeat multiple times from the 6th-7th inning on in reasonably close games.

Require all pitchers who enter a game to either face three batters, record two outs, or pitch to the end of an inning before being lifted. In addition to shortening the games, this would also end the abomination that is the 13 pitcher staff, and would do away with guys like 60 year old Jesse Orosco who pitch in 70 games and have 30 IP.
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Your rule change isn't really baseball either.

Baseball is a slow game. That's just the way it is.
 
Hawk said:
Another rule change being weighed by Major League Baseball is more radical and would put a runner on second base at the onset of extra innings, reports Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. The league is planning to test the scenario in the lowest levels of the minor leagues, according to Passan, and there’s already at least one proponent of the idea among the league’s top decision-makers: MLB chief baseball officer Joe Torre
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The runner on second is a non-starter for me. I hate the ibb proposal too but I can live with it a bit more. What may put me at a decision to make down the line is if the DH is ever forced onto me as a NL fan.
 
4maddux_cy's said:
The runner on second is a non-starter for me. I hate the ibb proposal too but I can live with it a bit more. What may put me at a decision to make down the line is if the DH is ever forced onto me as a NL fan.
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What we're hearing now is that this will be a trial balloon in the GCL and the AFL, according to a member of a minor league's team front office I know.
 
This may not even shorten games much. Teams will just start playing for one run, and they'll get it most of the time but rarely more.
 
smootness said:
This may not even shorten games much. Teams will just start playing for one run, and they'll get it most of the time but rarely more.
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Yup, play it safe for one run. Kind of like running it up the gut 3 times and kicking it a fieldgoal with the hope of breaking through.
 
the extra inning thing is honestly the dumbest thing i have ever heard for baseball

quit trying to compete with the NFL

just be baseball and try to expand into inner cities and poor areas where kids can't play cause of not having the funding and or the room to play

it's a longer play but that will grow your base more than trying to "shorten the game" by making it something else.
 
goldfly said:
the extra inning thing is honestly the dumbest thing i have ever heard for baseball

quit trying to compete with the NFL

just be baseball and try to expand into inner cities and poor areas where kids can't play cause of not having the funding and or the room to play

it's a longer play but that will grow your base more than trying to "shorten the game" by making it something else.
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the whole baseball is dying thing is a myth. But all objective measurement there is more interest and money in the game than ever.

USA inner cities is probably not the growth area. Latin areas of the country and Latin American Countries are the areas of growth.
 
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