MLB Trade Deadline Discussion

BRule said:
The offenses are actually pretty similar AL Central v NL East last year:

Cleveland was top 10 in slg and runs, the Braves were just outside of the top 10 in each (11 &13)
Philly and KC were pretty equal with KC being 24th and 18th and Philly being 21st and 26th
Then the Chi Sox, Twins, Fish and Mets were all god awful and bottom 5-8.
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I remember when you used to be pretty knowledgeable about baseball stats, Was a very long time ago. Catch up to current day stats and maybe I'll humor you with a response. Or just look at the fact that they don't only play division opponents.
 
zitothebrave said:
I remember when you used to be pretty knowledgeable about baseball stats, Was a very long time ago. Catch up to current day stats and maybe I'll humor you with a response. Or just look at the fact that they don't only play division opponents.
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Slugging and runs are easy to look up for teams....and I'm pretty sure both are still good indicators of a teams offense....I'd love to hear your argument for how the AL Central is soooooooooo much better offensively than the NL East last year.
 
BRule said:
Slugging and runs are easy to look up for teams....and I'm pretty sure both are still good indicators of a teams offense....I'd love to hear your argument for how the AL Central is soooooooooo much better offensively than the NL East last year.
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Never made that case, Nice try
 
ALSO!

Chase Headley has a 909 OPS at Yankee Stadium since the trade

Just throwing that out there.......yes, SSS, but whatever.
 
LMAO Strasburg hasn't been even close to as valuable as Verlander was from 09-12. He has not even sniffed it. Maybe he will, but it is insane to even compare the two. Verlander averaged almost 240 IP over that time. You can compare rate stats all you want, but it completely leaves out the huge value in throwing a lot of innings and carrying a team throughout multiple games. It's great that xFIP anf FIP and all that say Strasburg should be better than he has been, but he tires or craps out too early in games too often to be considered a legitimate stud right now.
 
BRule said:
Well Prado sucks.....I've said that for years.....
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Me too.

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BRule said:
Oh my bad....I guess this didn't happen then....?

And of course NL pitchers have it easier than AL pitchers.
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That's absolutely true. I wasn't comparing one division to another I was comparing league.

Find the last time the average AL team had less runs scored than the average NL team. I'll give you a hint it hasn't happened since 2000. I don't care to go back further. This year the average AL team has scored 474 runs, the average NL team has scored 442 runs. So yes, NL pitchers do have it easier than AL pitchers. It's about as obvious as a point that could be made.

use your brain, then try to come back at me.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's absolutely true. I wasn't comparing one division to another I was comparing league.

Find the last time the average AL team had less runs scored than the average NL team. I'll give you a hint it hasn't happened since 2000. I don't care to go back further. This year the average AL team has scored 474 runs, the average NL team has scored 442 runs. So yes, NL pitchers do have it easier than AL pitchers. It's about as obvious as a point that could be made.

use your brain, then try to come back at me.
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So the teams he pitched the most against, means LESS than the other teams........GO IT. That almost makes sense.....ALMOST

Use your brain, then try to come back at me.
 
Halfish of the games are played in division. So it is important. BUT the league is still more important as it's something like 90% of games played. So yeah.

Again there's no guessing we have to do today. We have stats that correct for opponents, for parks, for leagues, for many other things. Not to mention the issue of pitchers comes up. Even with the first 8 being better in the NL. Not having a pitcher hit changes the mentality of a pitcher and changes the strength of a lineup of course.
 
zitothebrave said:
Halfish of the games are played in division. So it is important. BUT the league is still more important as it's something like 90% of games played. So yeah.

Again there's no guessing we have to do today. We have stats that correct for opponents, for parks, for leagues, for many other things. Not to mention the issue of pitchers comes up. Even with the first 8 being better in the NL. Not having a pitcher hit changes the mentality of a pitcher and changes the strength of a lineup of course.
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Dude stop.....

He had 2 starts vs Chi Sox - 5 vs Cleveland - 6 vs KC - 4 vs Minny

The rest of the AL is all 1 and 2 starts and only 5 teams with 2 starts, the rest are all 1 start. Obviously the numbers for the AL Central matter more because he pitches vs them the most, so just stop.
 
They matter more in a comparative scale but again most seasons it's halfish of your starts. As you face your division opponents 76 times in a season. Some seasons your starts will be higher, some seasons they'll be lower, depending on scheduling.

If i have a pitcher who has 34 starts. 16 of them are in division, 30 are in league, don't you think the league number would present a significantly more accurate picture? Or do you prefer to strictly deal in teeny tiny samples?
 
zitothebrave said:
They matter more in a comparative scale but again most seasons it's halfish of your starts. As you face your division opponents 76 times in a season. Some seasons your starts will be higher, some seasons they'll be lower, depending on scheduling.

If i have a pitcher who has 34 starts. 16 of them are in division, 30 are in league, don't you think the league number would present a significantly more accurate picture? Or do you prefer to strictly deal in teeny tiny samples?
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It's 1 random start or a handful of 2 starts vs a team....anything can happen in 1 start, stars can rest be hurt, whatever.....if you're pitching against a team 5,6,7 teams a year...I would put way more stock into those teams offensives numbers.
 
Since I'm bored 2014 OPS ranks of opponents for Stras and Verlander in division

White Sox
Indians
Twins
Marlins
Lourdes
Braves
Mets
Phillies

2013

Cleveland
Atlanta
Kansas City
Minnesota
Philly
Chicago
Mets
Marlins

I could continue but the trend will remain pretty much every season. AL Central will have better hitters for no other reason than the DH

Sure some years the NL east may have the top spot on offense as the Phillies had a few exceptional years. But the point still stands, AL teams hit better than NL teams. I could care less about divisions.

Or let's compare simply

AL Central runs scored

Royals 446
Indians 506
White Sox 498
Twins 470

Braves 423
Marlins 456
Mets 437
Phillies 430

You should just give up. Your case is getting lamer and lamer even when I fight the battle on your terms.
 
BRule said:
It's 1 random start or a handful of 2 starts vs a team....anything can happen in 1 start, stars can rest be hurt, whatever.....if you're pitching against a team 5,6,7 teams a year...I would put way more stock into those teams offensives numbers.
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WTF. So in otherwords, you're making up **** just to make up ****. Cute.
 
For more fun, 2013 runs scored

Indians 745
Royals 648
Twins 614
Whitesox 598

Braves 688
Mets 619
Phillies 610
Marlins 513

So if you were to take the average sun scored per game in the AL Central it comes to 4.02 runs per game and for NL east 3.75. Which means in their lets say 20 games against AL Central opponents Verlander faces would score 5 mroe runs. Let's assume Verlander averages 7 innings per start would mean he would take up About 80% of his innings meaning he takes on 4 more runs in those 140 innings. which means in the simplest construct without adjusting to parks or anything else that can come up, your'e at about a 0.10 ERA disadvantage with Verlander in an example of one season. Again that's without looking at a myriad of other factors that would play in. On one simple factor I've already proven that stopping runs in the AL Central is harder than the NL Central which was your key point.
 
zitothebrave said:
For more fun, 2013 runs scored

Indians 745
Royals 648
Twins 614
Whitesox 598

Braves 688
Mets 619
Phillies 610
Marlins 513

So if you were to take the average sun scored per game in the AL Central it comes to 4.02 runs per game and for NL east 3.75. Which means in their lets say 20 games against AL Central opponents Verlander faces would score 5 mroe runs. Let's assume Verlander averages 7 innings per start would mean he would take up About 80% of his innings meaning he takes on 4 more runs in those 140 innings. which means in the simplest construct without adjusting to parks or anything else that can come up, your'e at about a 0.10 ERA disadvantage with Verlander in an example of one season. Again that's without looking at a myriad of other factors that would play in. On one simple factor I've already proven that stopping runs in the AL Central is harder than the NL Central which was your key point.
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You're an idiot......it's POINT 27 runs per game difference......you're seriously trying to make that into something meaningful? Good god

Again, as I said, LAST YEAR....the AL Central and NL East were pretty much the same in Runs and SLG ranks.....you just posted the average runs which suggests they ARE pretty much the same..........so stop.
 
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