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WaitingFor2017

WaitingFor2017

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Mods, please delete if it is similar to other threads. This is a thread to take snippets mentioning the Braves and trades from now until the waiver deadline ends on the last day of August. I expect to see lots of Braves traded even if most of them will bring a fringe or C potential prospect back.

July 16 mentions:

"Even before a recent injury to Tyler Flowers, the Braves wanted to acquire a catcher this month who could serve as their primary starter in 2017, MLB.com’s Mark Bowman reports. That means they will likely ask the Brewers about Jonathan Lucroy, who they’ve kept tabs on in the past. They would, however, likely need to feel they could extend Lucroy if they were to acquire him, since he is eligible for free agency after his $5.25MM 2017 option." - Charlie Wilmoth

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/braves-to-look-for-2017-starting-catcher-on-trade-market.html

"Braves closer Arodys Vizcaino left tonight’s action with what appeared to be an oblique issue. As MLB.com’s Mark Bowman tweets, the preliminary expectation is that he’ll require a DL stint. The injury comes at an inopportune time for Vizcaino’s trade chances, as he has already missed action of late and has struggled when he has been available. Over his last five appearances, Vizcaino has allowed five earned runs on eight hits and seven walks while recording only a pair of strikeouts. Once viewed as one of the best relief arms on the market, it seems increasingly likely that he’ll end up staying in Atlanta for the rest of the season." - Jeff Todd

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/nl-notes-niese-vizcaino-cubs-giants-dodgers.html
 
Late July 15 Mention

"As the Rangers continue to browse the shelves of potentially-available starters, the team has at least asked the Braves about Julio Teheran, per SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo (Twitter links). That hardly means there’s any real action on the righty, particularly since we’ve seen Texas tied to a whole host of starters in recent weeks. Cotillo also hears that the Rangers have had talks with the Brewers on catcher Jonathan Lucroy and southpaw Will Smith, though Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel tweets that the chatter “went nowhere.” All told, it still seems that the Texas front office is canvassing possibilities with the deadline a few weeks off." - Jeff Todd

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/al-west-notes-bregman-healy-valencia-rodriguez-rangers.html
 
July 17 Mentions:

"Despite hitting the disabled list Saturday with an oblique injury, 25-year-old Braves closer Arodys Vizcaino isn’t out of play for the deadline, tweets FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman. Although Vizcaino has struggled of late, his numbers this year – 3.00 ERA, 11.75 K/9, 5.5 BB/9 and 54.8 percent ground-ball rate in 36 innings – are mostly outstanding and he’s under control via arbitration eligibility through 2019. Those factors, not to mention his $897,500 salary this year, could combine to make Vizcaino rather appealing to reliever-needy teams." - Connor Byrne

"The Orioles are interested in adding a left-handed reliever, writes Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com. Kubatko lists the Braves’ Eric O’Flaherty, whom the O’s were previously interested in, and free agent Joe Beimel as possibilities outside the organization." - Connor Byrne

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/deadline-notes-hill-nats-dodgers-rays-braves-yanks-os.html
 
WaitingFor2017 said:
Late July 15 Mention

"As the Rangers continue to browse the shelves of potentially-available starters, the team has at least asked the Braves about Julio Teheran, per SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo (Twitter links). That hardly means there’s any real action on the righty, particularly since we’ve seen Texas tied to a whole host of starters in recent weeks. Cotillo also hears that the Rangers have had talks with the Brewers on catcher Jonathan Lucroy and southpaw Will Smith, though Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel tweets that the chatter “went nowhere.” All told, it still seems that the Texas front office is canvassing possibilities with the deadline a few weeks off." - Jeff Todd

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/al-west-notes-bregman-healy-valencia-rodriguez-rangers.html
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As word comes out that the Braves still have interest in a Lucroy trade, you have to ask yourself how that fits with the rebuild. Unless you can get an extension in place before the trade, or as a condition, then your trading away talent you acquired for the rebuild for essentially a rental. Even IF you can get Lucroy to agree to an extension, I would expect that the extension would be at a premium for the 31-36 years for a career catcher, AND you would have to give up AT LEAST one key piece from the rebuild, say a package starting with Newcomb PLUS.

Who would be OK with a Lucroy for Newcomb, Sims and Soroka? I wouldn't be.

The problem is that it appears the Braves FO want it all their way: don't trade any real talent of the current ML team; trade for your bats; keep your young pitching because you have to figure a 10-1 ratio (Hart's words) when talking pitching; sign some FA talent to fill holes but do it during one of the worst FA classes during the modern era.

This is a disastrous recipe for prolonged mediocrity.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
As word comes out that the Braves still have interest in a Lucroy trade, you have to ask yourself how that fits with the rebuild. Unless you can get an extension in place before the trade, or as a condition, then your trading away talent you acquired for the rebuild for essentially a rental. Even IF you can get Lucroy to agree to an extension, I would expect that the extension would be at a premium for the 31-36 years for a career catcher, AND you would have to give up AT LEAST one key piece from the rebuild, say a package starting with Newcomb PLUS.

Who would be OK with a Lucroy for Newcomb, Sims and Soroka? I wouldn't be.

The problem is that it appears the Braves FO want it all their way: don't trade any real talent of the current ML team; trade for your bats; keep your young pitching because you have to figure a 10-1 ratio (Hart's words) when talking pitching; sign some FA talent to fill holes but do it during one of the worst FA classes during the modern era.

This is a disastrous recipe for prolonged mediocrity.
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Did I miss where we were tied to Lucroy?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Who would be OK with a Lucroy for Newcomb, Sims and Soroka? I wouldn't be.
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Would be a bad move. We should seek out a catcher who would not be costly in terms of prospects we have to ship back. Jason Castro is a possibility in the FA market.

Derek Norris interests me in the trade market.

Here's a variation of a trade I suggested in another thread. Norris plus Kemp for Markakis. Here is how I see valuation. Norris is likely to generate 4-5 wins in surplus value before hitting free agency. Kemp is likely to generate negative 7 wins in surplus value (even after taking into account the Dodgers are paying part of his remaining salary). Markakis is likely to generate negative 1 in surplus value. It is a trade that involves a small overpay on our part. But it gets us a catcher and some right handed power in the outfield.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
The problem is that it appears the Braves FO want it all their way: don't trade any real talent of the current ML team; trade for your bats; keep your young pitching because you have to figure a 10-1 ratio (Hart's words) when talking pitching; sign some FA talent to fill holes but do it during one of the worst FA classes during the modern era.

This is a disastrous recipe for prolonged mediocrity.
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It would be if this wasn't based on a huge assumption or two. First of all, EVERY front office wants it their way. Best possible return to the smallest possible outlay. The most valuable commodity is young pitching.

The Braves long ago learned their lesson about overspending on free agents. But I am taking the apparently contrary point of view that Markakis was a good at-value signing as a whole.

As for catching: The Brewers know they'll get little more than a pick if Lucroy goes FA. But he gets pricy, then we need to file Recker's audition away. In two games so far, he's had a pinch hit, caught a shutout and a sacrifice bunt leading to the winning run. Around here, we call that a good start.

Minter needs to be the Braves bullpen within a month, and I want to see Wentz, Maitan and Cruz fast-tracked if their production warrants.
 
These threads are always amusing. Somebody does a copy & paste job from MLBTR, acting as if it's performing a valuable public service. It's not hard to just visit there without help.
 
rico43 said:
It would be if this wasn't based on a huge assumption or two. First of all, EVERY front office wants it their way. Best possible return to the smallest possible outlay. The most valuable commodity is young pitching.

The Braves long ago learned their lesson about overspending on free agents. But I am taking the apparently contrary point of view that Markakis was a good at-value signing as a whole.

As for catching: The Brewers know they'll get little more than a pick if Lucroy goes FA. But he gets pricy, then we need to file Recker's audition away. In two games so far, he's had a pinch hit, caught a shutout and a sacrifice bunt leading to the winning run. Around here, we call that a good start.

Minter needs to be the Braves bullpen within a month, and I want to see Wentz, Maitan and Cruz fast-tracked if their production warrants.
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His performance may warrant that, but I don't think I want to have him absorb a 40-man roster spot until after the off-season.
 
It's definitely a head-scratcher that Milwaukee has still not traded Lucroy. There have been a few reports that their asking price has been unrealistic. They'll surely expect a premium from anyone acquiring him at the trade deadline (versus the offseason), so the Braves have absolutely no business doing anything other than due diligence on Lucroy at this point. Coppy's comments from yesterday suggested to me that they've checked in, but the huge price doesn't make sense for them. He also said there more focused on adding future assets that are controllable for multiple years. The Braves and Lucroy don't seem like a marriage that makes sense unless Milwaukee gets very desperate.
 
Knucksie said:
These threads are always amusing. Somebody does a copy & paste job from MLBTR, acting as if it's performing a valuable public service. It's not hard to just visit there without help.
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Yet you took time to click on the thread and reply to it... If it's so annoying don't click on it.
 
dak said:
It's definitely a head-scratcher that Milwaukee has still not traded Lucroy. There have been a few reports that their asking price has been unrealistic. They'll surely expect a premium from anyone acquiring him at the trade deadline (versus the offseason), so the Braves have absolutely no business doing anything other than due diligence on Lucroy at this point. Coppy's comments from yesterday suggested to me that they've checked in, but the huge price doesn't make sense for them. He also said there more focused on adding future assets that are controllable for multiple years. The Braves and Lucroy don't seem like a marriage that makes sense unless Milwaukee gets very desperate.
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If we were able to extent him, though, I'd really like him above all others. I think he'll age well - not a big-bodied catcher like Gattis or Mac - excellent on defense, excellent on offense. Fine player. 4/$50m would be a nice price, maybe higher.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
If we were able to extent him, though, I'd really like him above all others. I think he'll age well - not a big-bodied catcher like Gattis or Mac - excellent on defense, excellent on offense. Fine player. 4/$50m would be a nice price, maybe higher.
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There's no way he is getting less than Mac money if he continues to perform like he has.
 
rico43 said:
It would be if this wasn't based on a huge assumption or two. First of all, EVERY front office wants it their way. Best possible return to the smallest possible outlay. The most valuable commodity is young pitching.

The Braves long ago learned their lesson about overspending on free agents. But I am taking the apparently contrary point of view that Markakis was a good at-value signing as a whole.

As for catching: The Brewers know they'll get little more than a pick if Lucroy goes FA. But he gets pricy, then we need to file Recker's audition away. In two games so far, he's had a pinch hit, caught a shutout and a sacrifice bunt leading to the winning run. Around here, we call that a good start.

Minter needs to be the Braves bullpen within a month, and I want to see Wentz, Maitan and Cruz fast-tracked if their production warrants.
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How could you possibly think the Markakis signing was a good one? He's already dreadful in year two and there's 2 more to go
 
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