Monuments

57Brave said:
My thought was they sre looking to change clientele by changing image.
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Colombus was a monster

and he certainly didn't discover ****

he epically failed at what he set out to accomplish
 
David Silkenat
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Maybe putting people on pedestals wasn't a good idea in the first place.



Just more militaristic/nationalistic/xenophobic nonsense



In the south of France there is a statue Julius Ceaser had erected to honor his grandson.
never understood the purpose.
 
Amanda Mull
@amandamull


if there's any lesson of this year it should be that all of the stuff those

in power said was so *tricky*—from letting people have a beer in public

to admitting that the Confederate flag is indeed racist—could have been

done in like 10 seconds ages ago

if they had felt like it
 
57Brave said:
Amanda Mull
@amandamull


if there's any lesson of this year it should be that all of the stuff those

in power said was so *tricky*—from letting people have a beer in public

to admitting that the Confederate flag is indeed racist—could have been

done in like 10 seconds ages ago

if they had felt like it
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Calling objects racist is a pet peeve of mine. People are racist. You have to have thoughts and feelings to be racist. A flag only has the meaning we assign it.
 
I think there should probably be a place for a statue of Robert E. Lee and even Jefferson Davis, but only one of each.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I could get behind a statue of Davis dressed in drag to commemorate his attempt to flee capture.
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That's actually a myth. He was wearing an overcoat and has his wife's shaw wrapped over his head. He was in poor health and his wife gave him her shaw to keep the weather off.

The myth of him dressing as a woman to avoid capture was encouraged by the North in spite of it not being true.
 
striker42 said:
Calling objects racist is a pet peeve of mine. People are racist. You have to have thoughts and feelings to be racist. A flag only has the meaning we assign it.
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and I assign that meaning to that object.

unless of course you are arguing it represents "southern heritage."

In which case you will be ignored/ not taken seriously
and your opinions diminished in my eyes
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57Brave said:
and I assign that meaning to that object.

unless of course you are arguing it represents "southern heritage."

In which case you will be ignored/ not taken seriously
and your opinions diminished in my eyes
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I see no other reason for display
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Your post displays a huge problem on the left. The reflex to automatically condemn any break from liberal orthodoxy as racist, sexist, or some other -ist. You have no clue what my stance is and you're already ready to swing the racism axe.

My point is that a flag is nothing more than colored threads arranged in a pattern. I think we too often focus on the meaningless, symbolic fights like arguing a flag should go rather than trying to combat the meaning it is being assigned.

These fights are engaged in because they're easy, not because they're important.

Imagine you see someone looking for their keys on the ground under a street light. You ask them where they dropped them and they say they dropped them on the other side of the street. You ask him why he's looking under the light and he says "the light's better".

That's what these fights over things like flags are. They don't accomplish anything in the fight against racism (I'd argue they just inflame the situation) but it's far easier to get wins than in the fight against racism.

Change people's minds and these symbols will fade on their own.

I also try to not be so quick to prejudge someone as racist. Ive known people who fly the rebel flag because they had ancestors who fought in the war, I've known people who fly it because they don't like the government, and I've known people who fly it as part of their racism. I generally dismiss the flag as a poor indicator of anything.
 
I hope the day antifa shows up at the Alamo, the live stream will be carried on PPV. It won’t be a pretty day for the water bottle throwing graffiti artists.
 
striker42 said:
That's actually a myth. He was wearing an overcoat and has his wife's shaw wrapped over his head. He was in poor health and his wife gave him her shaw to keep the weather off.

The myth of him dressing as a woman to avoid capture was encouraged by the North in spite of it not being true.
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I think the wife's shawl story could be the myth. It would've been smart to try and disguise himself.

Trump was probably inspecting the bunker for rats and cockroaches, right?
 
striker42 said:
Your post displays a huge problem on the left. The reflex to automatically condemn any break from liberal orthodoxy as racist, sexist, or some other -ist. You have no clue what my stance is and you're already ready to swing the racism axe.

My point is that a flag is nothing more than colored threads arranged in a pattern. I think we too often focus on the meaningless, symbolic fights like arguing a flag should go rather than trying to combat the meaning it is being assigned.

These fights are engaged in because they're easy, not because they're important.

Imagine you see someone looking for their keys on the ground under a street light. You ask them where they dropped them and they say they dropped them on the other side of the street. You ask him why he's looking under the light and he says "the light's better".

That's what these fights over things like flags are. They don't accomplish anything in the fight against racism (I'd argue they just inflame the situation) but it's far easier to get wins than in the fight against racism.

Change people's minds and these symbols will fade on their own.

I also try to not be so quick to prejudge someone as racist. Ive known people who fly the rebel flag because they had ancestors who fought in the war, I've known people who fly it because they don't like the government, and I've known people who fly it as part of their racism. I generally dismiss the flag as a poor indicator of anything.
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you lost me at "the left"

never the less and the glutton for punishment I am:

2) you seem to attach a lot of importance to CW history and lore and the symbolism therein.
So if it is nothing more than thread and cloth, why would you attach enough importance to form an opinion other than, " flag is nothing more than colored threads arranged in a pattern. I think we too often focus on the meaningless, symbolic fights like arguing a flag should go rather than trying to combat the meaning it is being assigned."

3) easy ? Hmm, if it was easy the giant flags displayed for no other reason than to taunt people of color wouldn't exist

4) we are 150+ years from re construction. Me thinks in your analogy, the street light has faded and we are living in the noon day sun. And, the keys are still lost

5) Ever been to Europe ? Interesting place for history

6) Change their minds ? I believe that is what we are witnessing.

7) I didn't label anyone racist. I believe we are all to a degree racist.
Interesting you took out of that me labeling you racist.
 
57Brave said:
you lost me at "the left"
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it's a lazy form of argumentation...a form of ad hominem...rather than discuss the ideas, the ideas are given a convenient label and dismissed...I see a lot of that from the right...it seems to be all they got sometimes
 
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