More apeaceful Protesting in Baltimore
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Your people deviated first, I get to enjoy a little lawlessness ... it's only fair.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
What's the conservative solution? Wait, I know this one!
Tax cuts and deregulation.
That playbook is a mite dusty, too.
I'm not saying that it isn't -- and hopefully this will shift the national debate with regard to necessary reforms in that arena in a constructive direction (although I doubt that it will) -- but whatever practice is being employed now is clearly NOT working.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
"My people" (whoever that is) deviated from your mantra, which thus justly countenances your deviation from your own guiding principle?
Either that's a flimsy and shallow exercise in self-justification gymnastics, and you never really held the agnosticism you preached; or you simply don't know how to practice agnosticism (... which I guess would at least, amusingly, fit a very literal/original definition, as the alpha-privative of gnosis).
Either that's a flimsy and shallow exercise in self-justification gymnastics, and you never really held the agnosticism you preached; or you simply don't know how to practice agnosticism (... which I guess would at least, amusingly, fit a very literal/original definition, as the alpha-privative of gnosis).
I think you need to read my quote again ... and then tell me at which point I personally proclaimed to be an ideological agnostic.
I'm like an alcoholic extolling the virtues of sobriety. It sounds like paradise, but I'm content where I am as long as I have a drinking partner. And it appears I have a few.
After that, I would greatly appreciate if you would explain to me (preferably without any pseudo-conclusions about my religion) what the hell "alpha-privative of gnosis" means.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I merely assumed you'd want to practice what you'd preached—a failure in agnosticism on my part. Personally, I find virtue in agnosticism, trying as it can be; I meanwhile find little virtue in sobriety.
In Greek, if you put an "a" in front of a word, it roughly negates it. So, gnosis is wisdom, and its alpha-privative (agnosis) is a literally a lack thereof (though it's generally taken to mean a conscious recognition of that lack thereof).
In Greek, if you put an "a" in front of a word, it roughly negates it. So, gnosis is wisdom, and its alpha-privative (agnosis) is a literally a lack thereof (though it's generally taken to mean a conscious recognition of that lack thereof).
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
friend who is a lawyer wrote this recently:
"Of all the police-related killings of citizens recently, only #MichaelBrown's falls within the purview of a justified action, in that the allegations are and were that the officer met force with force. Whether you believe this to be true is a completely different story, and I've written for The 11th Hour on how affirmative defenses should be raised in public trials, not in backroom grand jury proceedings, so the public can evaluate the candor of the accused.
Make no mistake: #FreddieGray, #EricGarner, #WalterScott, and others had the right to have a judge and jury determine their guilt and their sentences. Regardless of their transgressions, past, present, or ongoing, none of them committed any offense for which the state had the authority to take their lives. So, while conservative pundits go on their tirades defaming the dead, remember they died for probationary offenses, not for capital offenses."
I agreed with 100% of what your friend wrote until this sentence.
I honestly do not see how stating that the chance of this man (or the others) being killed would have infinitely smaller had he (they) not engaged in criminal activity is considered defamatory (from a legal or linguistic standpoint). Inappropriate? Eh. But defamatory? That's a hard sell.
There is a commonality between all three. They all broke the law. To me, which degree doesn't really matter.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Make no mistake, the cops should be punished as well.
Chicken/egg is in effect. You make a choice in life that is against civilization then the punish you endure is of your own fault, but those who use death as the ends to these means are no better than the one that committed the crime.
But that does not matter now, the riots is an issue, because of this, businesses have been destroyed, people livelihood has been destroyed for what? For a man who broke the law and in effect resisted arrest and died because of his stupidity?
Yes, Julio, I ride my bike drunk basically nightly. It's called BUI down here.
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I get that the punishment does not equal the crime. But that's phase two, and you're ignoring phase one.
Does that happen often as opposed to the number of robberies/gang activity/etc...?
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
An easy answer.
Why commit a crime in the first place? What good comes of it when the punishment can go from a fine, county jail, penitentiary or a finality - death?
Crime does pay, just not the way you perceive it.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Dude, you said the degree doesn't matter, in reference to a guy losing his life. There's really no point in discussing phase X 'til you've somehow explained that.
I ride my bike drunk basically nightly.
Better keep a handle on that ****, homie. I speak from experience. . . a couple of concussions and some permanent facial scarring's worth.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
for many different reasons
we don't have judge dredds on the street
but it seems you might be advocating for it with this type of thinking it seems
Are those reasons justified?
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
The biggest problem in black neighborhoods by far is the lack of parental guidance, especially due to the father largely being absent from the picture in many black families. This is what leads to the drug problems and issues with the police. The cop thing is overstated and really just a symptom of the disease. The current welfare system is the biggest contributing factor to this issue of broken families. This can mostly be fixed by creating incentives for two parent families and work. Rather than just handing out food stamps, disability, medicaid, long term unemployment, etc. There should be a strong sense of shame for not being part of your child's life. Black community leaders need to step up here. Black athletes, Obama, local leaders, rap stars etc.
And this is an area where I think the republicans should push in regards to their religious views. Rather than concentrating on gay marriage or stuff like that, they should promote and encourage the idea of 2 parent families. Not only is it a Christian principle, but it's statistically proven to be a benefit to children.
And this is an area where I think the republicans should push in regards to their religious views. Rather than concentrating on gay marriage or stuff like that, they should promote and encourage the idea of 2 parent families. Not only is it a Christian principle, but it's statistically proven to be a benefit to children.
No.
I said there was a commonality between Michael Brown, Walter Scott, and Freddie Gray -- they all broke the law, and they all resisted arrested (Michael became combative, Walter and Freddie ran).
What they did in breaking the law does not matter to me.
They placed themselves in the position of physical police intervention (that degree of criminality is pretty profound). I am not saying that the police had any right, whatsoever, to abuse their legal authority to apprehend them.
But it doesn't negate the circumstances which caused the event to transpire in the first place, and we're continuing to walk a very thin line by attempting to discount it.