Muk for Mac

I would not. The ballpark he plays in helps his current skillset. It woudn't be a terrible move, but I'm not up for spending the additional 6 million per year on an aging catcher. I would rather use finances to either buy prospects like we did last year and the Blue Jays just did with Pitt or to take on guys like Puig, who have the chance to rebound.

Having said that, it would be nice to have McCann at home in the twilight of his career. But, that's more sentimental than productive.
 
Do the Yanks want Markakis? Or is this just a clever way of eating money w/o eating money? It seems like some of these moves are just ego moves where the GM doesn't want to admit they signed a bad deal, so they take another bad deal and then cut the guy.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Do the Yanks want Markakis? Or is this just a clever way of eating money w/o eating money? It seems like some of these moves are just ego moves where the GM doesn't want to admit they signed a bad deal, so they take another bad deal and then cut the guy.
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I had read somewhere where it's easier to pay that money to a player you've cut than to a team you owe money to. I'm not exactly sure how that works, but cashflow may be part of it.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Do the Yanks want Markakis? Or is this just a clever way of eating money w/o eating money? It seems like some of these moves are just ego moves where the GM doesn't want to admit they signed a bad deal, so they take another bad deal and then cut the guy.
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there is a trade of two bad contracts element...but not quite like kemp olivera
 
smootness said:
Why would you be terrified of that? This FO has proven they value picks more than just about anybody.
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With the slot money we're going to have I don't see us losing that high 2 either. We'll probably try and get another compensation pick from as well.
 
gilesfan said:
I would not. The ballpark he plays in helps his current skillset. It woudn't be a terrible move, but I'm not up for spending the additional 6 million per year on an aging catcher. I would rather use finances to either buy prospects like we did last year and the Blue Jays just did with Pitt or to take on guys like Puig, who have the chance to rebound.

Having said that, it would be nice to have McCann at home in the twilight of his career. But, that's more sentimental than productive.
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I take it you didn't even glance at his splits this year.
 
gilesfan said:
I would not. The ballpark he plays in helps his current skillset. It woudn't be a terrible move, but I'm not up for spending the additional 6 million per year on an aging catcher. I would rather use finances to either buy prospects like we did last year and the Blue Jays just did with Pitt or to take on guys like Puig, who have the chance to rebound.

Having said that, it would be nice to have McCann at home in the twilight of his career. But, that's more sentimental than productive.
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Sorry, but Yankee Stadium isn't really helping him. McCann has 2 Yankee Stadium homers where it probably doesn't leave another park. Assuming those 2 turn into outs, he's still a very productive hitter. I'm sure Mac has also lost singles and doubles because of shortened RF as well.
 
zitothebrave said:
Sorry, but Yankee Stadium isn't really helping him. McCann has 2 Yankee Stadium homers where it probably doesn't leave another park. Assuming those 2 turn into outs, he's still a very productive hitter. I'm sure Mac has also lost singles and doubles because of shortened RF as well.
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Four of those balls would not have been homers in Turner Field just this year. He would have lost 6 homers last year that wouldn't have been out of Turner Field (overalaying homers with Turner).

Overall in the last 3 years, he's hit .229/.300/.363 on the road. He's also 32 and going to be trending significantly downward while making 17 million dollars per year.
 
zitothebrave said:
Sorry, but Yankee Stadium isn't really helping him. McCann has 2 Yankee Stadium homers where it probably doesn't leave another park. Assuming those 2 turn into outs, he's still a very productive hitter. I'm sure Mac has also lost singles and doubles because of shortened RF as well.
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Shifting may have hurt him more than any other hitter in the last 7-8 years.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Shifting may have hurt him more than any other hitter in the last 7-8 years.
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It is probably the single biggest reason he went from a .270+ hitter to a .230+ hitter. Those shifts took away so many singles it has literally cost him 40-50 points on his BA.

Mac is still pretty much the same good hitter (and receiver) he has always been, minus about 20-30 singles per year mostly due to the shifts used against him. His power is still there, and so is his good walk rate. Even outside of NY I would expect him to continue to post a walk rate around his typical 9% and his ISO to be around .180-.200 like it has consistently been in his career.

My biggest fear is that Mac can't DH in the NL, which is precisely why AL teams were able to take the risk in signing him long term when NL teams had to shy away. He and Flowers would make an excellent platoon, but it is imperative that whoever manages the Braves makes Mac the DH in at least 2 of the games during a road interleague series to save wear and tear, and uses Kemp as DH in the other game of the series. That should be 6-7 games at DH for Mac, and 3-4 games at DH for Kemp. If anyone else DHs while both players are healthy, the manager should be fired immediately, even before the first pitch of that game.

As far as cost to acquire, the Yankees didn't eat any money in their trades this deadline. Have they ever ate money in a trade? I would imagine they expect the other team to take on the full contract AND give at least 1 top 50 prospect. So keep that in mind when fantasizing about Mac coming back to Atlanta.
 
zitothebrave said:
Ryan Howard. But that's because he only had 1 tool, hitting for power. Mac was a pure hitter who just pulled a lot.
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If his only tool was pure power, how exactly would shifting on the infield affect him so much? Does that extra guy between 1B and 2B somehow rob HRs?
 
gilesfan said:
Four of those balls would not have been homers in Turner Field just this year. He would have lost 6 homers last year that wouldn't have been out of Turner Field (overalaying homers with Turner).

Overall in the last 3 years, he's hit .229/.300/.363 on the road. He's also 32 and going to be trending significantly downward while making 17 million dollars per year.
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Issue with home/away splits is hitters almost exclusively do better at home sans a few examples. Even looking at say Chipper Jones, Turner field being a pitchers park, he had a significant home advantage. ANd that's over a career, not a few years.
 
Enscheff said:
If his only tool was pure power, how exactly would shifting on the infield affect him so much? Does that extra guy between 1B and 2B somehow rob HRs?
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Because power was his only reason he did anything. His ability to hit singles was taken away after his "MVP" season making him a power only hitter. McCann hit the ball with authority and beat the shift many times. Also Howard lacked the ability to hit a curveball.
 
zitothebrave said:
Issue with home/away splits is hitters almost exclusively do better at home sans a few examples. Even looking at say Chipper Jones, Turner field being a pitchers park, he had a significant home advantage. ANd that's over a career, not a few years.
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McCann is a pull hitter in one of the most advantageous parks in the major leagues for LH pull hitters. If you don't think that has an affect, you are crazy (or just an obnoxious McCann homer)
 
Yes, the Braves need young players, but their trade for Kemp shows a different philosophy. Think it's very possible for them to trade for McCann, especially if the Yankees eat some money.

Dave Cameron
12:37 It's not a good philosophy, or one worth encouraging.
 
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