Tapate50
Well-known member
Sorry it hasn’t happened fast enough for you. It was Christmas weekend, most probably spent time with family.
Just don’t go time stamping the responses and you will be better off
Nashville explosion/bombing...
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Sorry it hasn’t happened fast enough for you. It was Christmas weekend, most probably spent time with family.
Just don’t go time stamping the responses and you will be better off
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I've always thought the peaceful protesters should simply go home when the violence starts. To make it easy for the police. But there is a coordination problem of sorts. Some people go home, but not enough.
And with respect specifically in Portland, there is a fracture between police and political leadership. From what I've read, it isn't one of those situations where the fault entirely lies on one side. But neither seems inclined to step up and try to heal the breach.
sturg33
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He gets mad when responses are fast and gets mad when they are slow
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Ignored in the media narrative of NASCAR = racist, is that Bubba was not a star and was driving the BLM sponsored car. They might be crazy, immoral, anti-American Marxists, but BLM has proven that they are adept at manufacturing outrage for favorable coverage by a sympathetic media. It worked.
Here's Bubba admitting to some embarrassment and that it "wasn't what we feared it was" after the FBI pointed out that the "noose" had been there for at least a year prior to Bubba being assigned to that garage.
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This isn’t a great recap of the full story. It is absolutely true that it turned out to be nothing, but there are several parts missing from the original story that were important for context:
1) NASCAR officials reported it, not Bubba Wallace or BLM.
2) It was the only stall that had this style of handle. It wasn’t intentional or malicious, but the discrepancy between that handle and the other stalls led to the concern. While it was then investigated and found to be an innocent coincidence, it was not a bad faith leap to wonder if it was intentional. Something does not have to end up being a hate crime to investigate it as a possible hate crime.
3) There is absolutely a larger scale race issue in racing culture. NASCAR has taken steps to address it, and while the immediate actions taken during the incident turned out to look wrong given the result of the investigation, I don’t see how taking a forceful stand in favor of equality is necessarily a bad thing.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
1. A member of his BLM sponsored pit crew reported it to the leader of his BLM sponsored team, and they reported it to NASCAR, but true, Wallace was not the one who reported it. He did immediately say this though:
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2. It's always, always, always bad faith to jump to the decision that something that happened was a racist hate crime. It lessens the impact of the real occurrences, damages reputations, hurts the credibility of the accuser, and damages race relations. I suspect the latter is why it keeps happening. Gotta pump up the size of the grievance industry to support all of the grievance degrees.
3. The stand taken here by the president of NASCAR, Richard Petty, Wallace, and everyone else, was to jump to the conclusion that some Alabama or NASCAR redneck tied a noose to somehow injure Wallace. I don't care how many pictures they post with a bunch of drivers and a #unity hashtag, that's damaging to the purported goal. Fortunately this was high profile enough that the FBI was called in. Otherwise it would have probably ended with some mid-level manager being fired to show that such racist hatred isn't tolerated.
Is there a reason you went with the zoomed in shot? That "noose" wasn't large enough to hang my pug:
It doesn't matter how large it is. It is 100% a noose. It isn't a normal knot you find anywhere. Considering the racial tension at the time, it's completely understandable that his crew was concerned.
Dollars to donuts, someone did this thinking it was funny a while back and it was never noticed until then.
sturg33
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People see what they want to see
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Hey man, my Native American ancestors suffered from smallpox blankets. Guess what I saw right in the front of the Walmart the last time I was there. Yep. Great big display of blankets. You may say they weren't there to hurt me, but I know they're a symbol of oppression against my people and a symbol of hate toward me.
This is most common type of loop knot, and the knot I've seen in garages and industrial facilities my entire life. I've literally never seen one noose type at any of these places. Sure, my experience is anecdotal, but this type of loop was not found at any of the other garages at that track either.
It is a noose. There is no other way to see it. It turned out to be a coincidence. That doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a noose.
sturg33
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You wanted to see a racist hate crime so you saw a noose sitting in the stall of a black man from a redneck Nascar guy
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This is most common type of loop knot, and the knot I've seen in garages and industrial facilities my entire life. I've literally never seen one noose type at any of these places. Sure, my experience is anecdotal, but this type of loop was not found at any of the other garages at that track either.
NASCAR called the other tracks to ask if they had any pulls tied like that. They all said no. NASCAR used this to support the idea that this was unusual.
With all that was going on, with the cancel culture madness running amok, with corporate sponsors leaving even well performing shows like Carlson to appease the woke mobs, and with NASCAR relying so heavily on corporate sponsors, do you think any of those tracks would have admitted to having a pull like that? No chance.
Let me be clear, I have no use for NASCAR and I don't know or care why that pull was tied that way. I just can't take any of the histrionics seriously. That rope wasn't going to hurt him. He has been around enough racing to know whether there are racists in the garage. All the rest is theatre.
I didn't want to see anything. A noose was found in his garage. People jumped to conclusions for sure, but it isn't normal to see a noose tied anywhere, much less the garage of a black driver. The reaction was justified given the circumstances.