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BRule said:
Millsap
Jeff Green (player option, probably stays)
Brook (no thanks)
Al Jeff (player option, who knows)
Jimmy (RFA, aint happening)
Bron! (LMAO, nope)
Love (Nope.)
Monta (Player option, probably stays in Dallas)
Rondo (horrible offensive game, wouldnt change much)
Afflao (possibly)
Monroe (Depends if Det offers him a max)
Dray (GS will supposedly match any offer, Det is gonna offer him alot supposedly, no)
DeAndre (might get a max, go for it)
BKnight (RFA)
Reggie (RFA)
Tobias (RFA)
Wes Matthews (maybe)
Robin Lopez (player option)
Enes (OKC will supposedly try to keep him, doubt he gets any max offers but who knows)

So even if you assume Gasol and LMA go back to their teams, still plenty of talent to pair with Melo / Okafor or Russell or Mudaiy.
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Most of those guys wont hit the market, some possible options but none that are game changing.
 
BRule said:
Millsap

Jeff Green

Brook (no thanks)

Al Jeff

Jimmy

Bron!

Love

Monta

Rondo

Afflao

Monroe

Dray

DeAndre

BKnight

Reggie

Tobias

Wes Matthews

Robin Lopez

Enes

So even if you assume Gasol and LMA go back to their teams, still plenty of talent to pair with Melo / Okafor or Russell or Mudaiy.
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I see a long list of bad contracts there. And the good contract guys will almost all certainly resign.

Free agency is just not the way to start a rebuild. It takes a couple of years of drafting right and not trading away assets to not shorten a rebuild. I'm just afraid you guys are gonna throw Enes and Reggie Jackson max deals. Decent guys who don't really move the needle.
 
I'd prefer not to give Kanter max money but max money this offseason is going to be different than max in 3 years so the contract won't look awful (especially rookie max).
 
thethe said:
Please elaborate sir...
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Harden is a better passer, gets to the line more than anyone in the NBA, can run the whole offense. KD is a better rebounder and they are pretty much equal in terms of shooting percentages with KD being a few percentage points better overall but equal from 3. You are arguing between two of the top 3 offensives players in the NBA, splitting hairs but I think Harden is a level above everyone this year.
 
Heyward said:
Based off what?

You're bias is showing again.

Harden is a fantastic offensive player but he's not a better offensive player than KD.
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Healthy KD is the best (aside from maybe Steph) There's no doubt.

But you have torched any credibility talking about Harden. Especially since you find any window of opportunity to take shots at him. You are a jealous Thunder fan that doesn't want Harden to succeed.
 
chop2chip said:
I see a long list of bad contracts there. And the good contract guys will almost all certainly resign.

Free agency is just not the way to start a rebuild. It takes a couple of years of drafting right and not trading away assets to not shorten a rebuild. I'm just afraid you guys are gonna throw Enes and Reggie Jackson max deals. Decent guys who don't really move the needle.
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Monroe, Matthews, their draft pick and depth types would be a good haul.

But unless you get lucky, like Miami, you cant build a team through FA.
 
BRule said:
Harden is a better passer, gets to the line more than anyone in the NBA, can run the whole offense. KD is a better rebounder and they are pretty much equal in terms of shooting percentages with KD being a few percentage points better overall but equal from 3. You are arguing between two of the top 3 offensives players in the NBA, splitting hairs but I think Harden is a level above everyone this year.
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I think if KD was the person to run the offense all by himself he would put up mind shattering numbers. For some reason you guys have always underrated KD's passing ability. I would put it up there with anyone other than the top PG's.
 
chop2chip said:
I see a long list of bad contracts there. And the good contract guys will almost all certainly resign.

Free agency is just not the way to start a rebuild. It takes a couple of years of drafting right and not trading away assets to not shorten a rebuild. I'm just afraid you guys are gonna throw Enes and Reggie Jackson max deals. Decent guys who don't really move the needle.
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Eh, I don't see anyone on that list getting max money but surrounding Melo with Monroe / Tobias / Wes / Mill / Afflao / DeAndre.....sign 3 of those guys to go with Melo and Okafor / Mudaiy / Russell and that's a really good starting 5 in the East.
 
chop2chip said:
Healthy KD is the best (aside from maybe Steph) There's no doubt.

But you have torched any credibility talking about Harden. Especially since you find any window of opportunity to take shots at him. You are a jealous Thunder fan that doesn't want Harden to succeed.
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Not true.

I said he doesnt guard the other teams offensive player so his defensive rating is flawed as hell which giles is using.

He's not guarding the Steph, KD's, Russ of the world every night. He gets the worse offensive player every night.

I've said a billion times Harden is a fantastic offensive player, his defense is improved, but it's still not good.

And i've said the trade is horrible, all-time bad, so keep making stuff up.
 
BRule said:
Harden is a better passer, gets to the line more than anyone in the NBA, can run the whole offense. KD is a better rebounder and they are pretty much equal in terms of shooting percentages with KD being a few percentage points better overall but equal from 3. You are arguing between two of the top 3 offensives players in the NBA, splitting hairs but I think Harden is a level above everyone this year.
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KD is like 6% better overall shooting % wise. Plus a longer track record. The mathematician in me
 
chop2chip said:
Already talking yourself into eh?
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They have to keep him IMO. Thats going to cost money. Thunder need to make sure that KD & RW know that OKC is the place to play out their careers. Kanter gives the Thunder an element on offense they've never had. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
thethe said:
I'd prefer not to give Kanter max money but max money this offseason is going to be different than max in 3 years so the contract won't look awful (especially rookie max).
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Slater said the other day in a response OKC plans to keep Kanter, planning on the cap skyrocketing.

Could always trade him for assets when it's time to pay Adams.
 
Heyward said:
Not true.

I said he doesnt guard the other teams offensive player so his defensive rating is flawed as hell which giles is using.

He's not guarding the Steph, KD's, Russ of the world every night. He gets the worse offensive player every night.

I've said a billion times Harden is a fantastic offensive player, his defense is improved, but it's still not good.

And i've said the trade is horrible, all-time bad, so keep making stuff up.
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The fact that you legit think Klay is better is evidence enough and this isn't even factoring everything you said initially about Harden. You are bitter about the trade. Not a doubt in my mind.
 
thethe said:
I think if KD was the person to run the offense all by himself he would put up mind shattering numbers. For some reason you guys have always underrated KD's passing ability. I would put it up there with anyone other than the top PG's.
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If he's such a great passer and can run the O, why doesn't he?

Again, not knocking KD but Harden is better at running the show.
 
thethe said:
They have to keep him IMO. Thats going to cost money. Thunder need to make sure that KD & RW know that OKC is the place to play out their careers. Kanter gives the Thunder an element on offense they've never had. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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The day the thunder pay him the max is the first step towards the Thunder being a lottery team again.
 
Heyward said:
Slater said the other day in a response OKC plans to keep Kanter, planning on the cap skyrocketing.

Could always trade him for assets when it's time to pay Adams.
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So they see the cap rising now but didn't see it before trading Harden? Hilarious and a giant kick in the dick to any OKC fan.
 
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