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Carp said:
Jordan was a better defender than Lebron could ever dream about. Not to mention you're comparing different eras. Scoring averages have increased pretty significantly over the last 35 years. Largely because people actually played defense in the 90's. Of and let's not forget that Jordan didn't have the option to come out of high school directly to the NBA to held pad his career stats.

And comparing Lebron's late years to Jordan, when Jordan returned to a terrible Wizards clearly out of shape is dumb too. MJ nearly had a dad bod when he returned to the wizards.

And finally, if you watched both guys play, like most anyone born before 1990 has, it's easy to tell who was better.

And if you want to talk about most dominant player of all time, it's easily Shaq. Completely unguardable. Rebound vacuum. And prime Shaq was an elite defender in the paint.
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I always say Shaq was most dominant player I've ever seen and Jordan was the best.

100% agree with you
 
Carp said:
Jordan was a better defender than Lebron could ever dream about. Not to mention you're comparing different eras. Scoring averages have increased pretty significantly over the last 35 years. Largely because people actually played defense in the 90's. Of and let's not forget that Jordan didn't have the option to come out of high school directly to the NBA to held pad his career stats.

And comparing Lebron's late years to Jordan, when Jordan returned to a terrible Wizards clearly out of shape is dumb too. MJ nearly had a dad bod when he returned to the wizards.

And finally, if you watched both guys play, like most anyone born before 1990 has, it's easy to tell who was better.

And if you want to talk about most dominant player of all time, it's easily Shaq. Completely unguardable. Rebound vacuum. And prime Shaq was an elite defender in the paint.
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Right now the league is in an offensive renaissance but most of Bron's career wasn't that different than most of Jordan's. From 86-93 (Jordan's peak before his first retirment) the league was averaging between 101 and 109 PPG. for the first part of LeBron's career (04-12) only twice did the league average get over 100 and it just scraped by it. It's not until recently (18-19) that scoring got stupid good going over the 100 mark.

ALso Jordan was a better defender than LeBron but the gulf wasn't that amazing. The only reason he's better is because LeBron didn't put 100 into defending. Part of why he's able to play so well late in his career is knowing when it's advantageous to take plays off.

Shaq was impressive of a force but Shaq didn't ever really put up the numbers and couldn't score from the FT line. He only lead the league in scoring twice and never defensive, offensive or total rebounds. A legend for sure. But LeBron is so much more dominant. From 2011 to 2018 LeBron's teams were in the finals every year. People dog LeBron on titles. BUt he'd have at least 5 if not for Durant going to Golden State making them a super team.
 
zitothebrave said:
Right now the league is in an offensive renaissance but most of Bron's career wasn't that different than most of Jordan's. From 86-93 (Jordan's peak before his first retirment) the league was averaging between 101 and 109 PPG. for the first part of LeBron's career (04-12) only twice did the league average get over 100 and it just scraped by it. It's not until recently (18-19) that scoring got stupid good going over the 100 mark.

ALso Jordan was a better defender than LeBron but the gulf wasn't that amazing. The only reason he's better is because LeBron didn't put 100 into defending. Part of why he's able to play so well late in his career is knowing when it's advantageous to take plays off.

Shaq was impressive of a force but Shaq didn't ever really put up the numbers and couldn't score from the FT line. He only lead the league in scoring twice and never defensive, offensive or total rebounds. A legend for sure. But LeBron is so much more dominant. From 2011 to 2018 LeBron's teams were in the finals every year. People dog LeBron on titles. BUt he'd have at least 5 if not for Durant going to Golden State making them a super team.
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JOrdan would have won 8 straight if he wasn't suspended.

There is no sensible argument that Lebron is better than JOrdan.
 
thethe said:
HAHAHA - As if Lebron didn't have prime Dwade/Bosh then Slightly post prime Love/young Kyrie then Prime AD and an odd shortened season.

Hysterical
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LeBron for sure needed help. And when he didn't have it he was still making the NBA finals and the Conference Finals. Before Pippen Got tothe Bulls Jordan couldn't get over .500 and were bounced from the first round of the playoffs. When Jordan was gone they still won 55 games

Jordan is a legend, greatest of his generation and was the GOAT before LeBron (well him and Kareem would be the debate)
 
zitothebrave said:
LeBron for sure needed help. And when he didn't have it he was still making the NBA finals and the Conference Finals. Before Pippen Got tothe Bulls Jordan couldn't get over .500 and were bounced from the first round of the playoffs. When Jordan was gone they still won 55 games

Jordan is a legend, greatest of his generation and was the GOAT before LeBron (well him and Kareem would be the debate)
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This is where you lack any understanding at all.

The East was historically bad when Lebron was making finals pre-heat days.

Lebron was also the GM of his teams and forced moves that crushed the long term prospects. Its not Jordans fault hte organization picked good players.
 
thethe said:
This is where you lack any understanding at all.

The East was historically bad when Lebron was making finals pre-heat days.

Lebron was also the GM of his teams and forced moves that crushed the long term prospects. Its not Jordans fault hte organization picked good players.
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Right right right. It was LeBron who sent Kyrie packing it was LeBron He also certainly was so involved in not bringing in Talent to Cleveland his first go through.

Seriously where the **** do people come off with this. Sure LeBron was involved in the Big 3, and he was involved in getting AD coming to LA, but aside from that trade what other trades were made?
 
And Shaq won't get labeled the greatest ever obviously, but Prime Shaq was literally unstoppable. You could have fed him 40 times a night and he would averaged 50+ points easily. There was simply no way to guard him. Which is why the only defense against became hack-a-shaq.
 
Carp said:
And Shaq won't get labeled the greatest ever obviously, but Prime Shaq was literally unstoppable. You could have fed him 40 times a night and he would averaged 50+ points easily. There was simply no way to guard him. Which is why the only defense against became hack-a-shaq.
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Not only that - Shaq was an incredible passer as well.

In another world where you replace Kobe with 2 knock down shooters Shaq could have averaged 6-7 assists a game.
 
thewupk said:
90s featured the best basketball and baseball player to come along so far. It will change eventually but not yet.
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Disagree. It took Roids for Bonds to pass Mays. That's ignoring the 300 lb Babe Ruth in the room.

And as I said, Kareem and Jordan represent interesting points in basketball history. LeBron has blown everyone else out of the water.
 
thewupk said:
It's 2024 and we're still trying to argue against Jordan being the goat?
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There will always be some crazies who think the most recent thing is the best thing.

Jordan was an experience. Larger than life figure on the court as well as off.

Wemby has a chance but thats 3-4 years away from even speculating on that.
 
Hell, Jokic might end up surpassing Lebron in the top 3 this pace. He's probably gonna win his 3rd MVP this year. And there's a good chance Denver repeats as champs.
 
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