New CBA reached
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Also saw DL changes from 15 day to 10 day.
That will be really interesting for the season.
That will be really interesting for the season.
These changes definitely help teams like the Braves. Not nearly the same kind of penalty for signing guys with QO, no chance for teams to blow through their international pool (not as helpful to Braves specifically if they were willing to do that every 3 years), and pretty severe luxury tax.
The International FA changes could help us if you trust our scouts, because even when we went all in, it wasn't at a level that the Dodgers or Yankees could. I'm no fan of the new rules in that market, but I do think it favors us.
dak
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Yeah, the hard cap on international amateurs is the part of this CBA that surprises me most. The two biggest outcomes I see from this: (1) success in this market will now be much more related to scouting than deep pockets, and (2) there is slightly less incentive for teams to tank since W / L record has no impact on a team's bonus pool. The first outcome definitely helps the Braves since they've recently reinvested in their international scouting infrastructure. The second outcome helps the Braves in the short-run at least since they're coming out of their rebuild phase and have no designs on tanking any time soon.
I keep going back and forth on whether the international stuff benefits us.
Back in 2015, we signed Cruz and Pache for $3.4 million combined. That would've left $1.6 million to spend under the new system, which mostly sounds fine to me, but it's the lower level signings that our scouts have gotten a lot of value out of. Weren't Albies and Acuna signed for a few hundred thousand dollars? This hard cap seems less than ideal if we get later into the process and a late guy pops up but we're already close to the cap.
The thing I'm most interested in seeing is what the cap does to the elite prospects. Moncada signed for like $31 million. Does he go play somewhere in Asia until he can come over, or does he just sign for $5 million? Do the prospects in the Cruz/Pache range become more expensive or less expensive? It's an interesting system that sounds like it kind of sucks for the prospects themselves.
Back in 2015, we signed Cruz and Pache for $3.4 million combined. That would've left $1.6 million to spend under the new system, which mostly sounds fine to me, but it's the lower level signings that our scouts have gotten a lot of value out of. Weren't Albies and Acuna signed for a few hundred thousand dollars? This hard cap seems less than ideal if we get later into the process and a late guy pops up but we're already close to the cap.
The thing I'm most interested in seeing is what the cap does to the elite prospects. Moncada signed for like $31 million. Does he go play somewhere in Asia until he can come over, or does he just sign for $5 million? Do the prospects in the Cruz/Pache range become more expensive or less expensive? It's an interesting system that sounds like it kind of sucks for the prospects themselves.
dak
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Yeah, this will be interesting. Jon Morosi reported last night though that they've raised the exemption age from 23 to 25. So if you're someone like Moncada and 19 years old (as he was at the time of his signing), you'd need to play in Japan (or wherever) for 6 years in order to beat the cap system. In some cases, the player will be better off signing with an MLB team cheaply in hopes of quickly getting to arbitration.
Not really surprising. Actual MLBers get it better while the international amateurs get it worse.
dak
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Here's a second change that reduces the incentive to tank. This one could be even more impactful than removing the slotting system for international amateurs. Getting one of those first 3-4 picks right now is a huge advantage. You can almost always sign a top player under slot and then go over slot with one or more later picks. This advantage will be reduced.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-new-collective-bargaining-agreement.html
50PoundHead
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Nerfherders
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It all seems fine to me, except the change to a mid-week start of the season. That is weird, and especially weird for weekly-based fantasy. They did this for a couple years, about 5 years ago, and I hated it.
You mean they didn't take fantasy baseball players into account while negotiating this agreement that involves billions of dollars? The outrage!!
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 41s41 seconds ago
The top slot in the draft will be lower in 2017 than previous four years. It’s $7.4M. Overall $ devoted to the domestic draft won't change.
I'd imagine this is good for us? The top few slots usually provide so much extra money to be used in the later rounds.
The top slot in the draft will be lower in 2017 than previous four years. It’s $7.4M. Overall $ devoted to the domestic draft won't change.
I'd imagine this is good for us? The top few slots usually provide so much extra money to be used in the later rounds.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
We saw many confident assertions about big changes in service time cutoffs. And many confident assertions that the qualifying offer system would be abolished. Not tinkered with. Abolished. I wonder if anyone will step forward to walk back those assertions.