Next Year's Triple A Team

thethe said:
You can't just hope that you will continually develop TOR type arms. I think Minor should be kept.
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Nsacpi has been suggesting we ladder and deal pitchers as they hit arbitration for well over a year. I told him back on Scout that expectation was unrealistic. I would give long term (4 yr) deals to Minor, Medlen (I think he'll work through this average patch) and Teheran. I think we hit the pitching lottery and to expect young pitching to be fungible is unrealistic. And a huge mistake.

But I do like the idea of keeping Huddy around for another year or two if he's up to it and remains affordable.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Nsacpi has been suggesting we ladder and deal pitchers as they hit arbitration for well over a year. I told him back on Scout that expectation was unrealistic. I would give long term (4 yr) deals to Minor, Medlen (I think he'll work through this average patch) and Teheran. I think we hit the pitching lottery and to expect young pitching to be fungible is unrealistic. And a huge mistake.

But I do like the idea of keeping Huddy around for another year or two if he's up to it and remains affordable.
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I don't think its unrealistic to think we can leave 3 spots in the rotation unsigned. Braves are so good at developing arms and you coudl always sign a vet for a short term deal. Minor/tehearn long term is the way to go.
 
Two years ago everyone wanted to lock up Beachy, last year it was Medlen, this year Minor, next year it will be Teheran and in two years Wood will be that indispensable ace. I see a pattern (we can take it back further to Hanson and Jurrjens). As I said the pipeline overfloweth. No need to risk long-term contracts on pitchers, even younger ones.
 
and we also wait to long to trade some pitchers

ie JJ and Hanson

Medlen needs to go now while he still has decent value
 
If I were to pick one of our pitchers to lock up it would be Teheran, just based on my assessment of talent and upside. But even in his case I say why take the risk.
 
thethe said:
I don't think its unrealistic to think we can leave 3 spots in the rotation unsigned. Braves are so good at developing arms and you coudl always sign a vet for a short term deal. Minor/tehearn long term is the way to go.
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I'm more or less on board with this. Julio is the guy we build around, the guy we pay long term. Minor for another 6 or 7 years total and let him leave in his early 30s.

You can win with the quality of the arms we keep bringing up. Even factoring in guys who we don't know their total value or got hurt we have called up since 09. Medlen, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Julio, Wood, and Delgado. Hanson in 09 would be the first one we would have traded off most likely assuming he stayed healthy. If we can keep that level of talent coming through the system then you can easily get by with a 3 man rotation for the backend.

Building off now let's kick Medlen out now and Bring Huddy back or kick Medlen out after Arb 2 and roll

2014
Hudson/Medlen
Minor
Julio
Beachy
Wood

2015
Minor
Julio
Beachy
Wood
Sims

2016
Minor
Julio
Wood
Sims
Cabrera

That's not counting the level of good but not great talent guys we have like Graham and Gilmartin who I would put in there if not for Shoulder issues, or guys like Northcraft, Hale, Martin, etc.

By only keeping 2 guys who're cheap now but will be expensive later and pawning off guys like Medlen or Beachy before they cost way too much allows us to do 2 things. First we can restock our farm system or make a move for a need in the position department. Second is that money would allow us to more likely keep Justin, Jason, Freddie and Simmons together who are the 4 guys we have to keep around if we want to be great for the next 4-5 years.
 
nsacpi said:
Two years ago everyone wanted to lock up Beachy, last year it was Medlen, this year Minor, next year it will be Teheran and in two years Wood will be that indispensable ace. I see a pattern (we can take it back further to Hanson and Jurrjens). As I said the pipeline overfloweth. No need to risk long-term contracts on pitchers, even younger ones.
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I understand. Beachy was who I wasn't remembering. Beachy needs a deal. And I wanted Minor and Medlen last year. I think you do lock these young pitchers up. I think we hit the lotto. I don't think this pipeline is sustainable, much as others are shouting that Lord BABIP's average is unsustainable.

Jurrjens and Hanson were outliers. Very seldom do guys get that bad that fast. For the record (and it's somewhere in the Scout archives), I knew the first time I saw Hanson he would have problems, and would not have advocated a long term deal for him. Jurrjens' decline did surprise me, but I think he surprised a lot of people.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm more or less on board with this. Julio is the guy we build around, the guy we pay long term. Minor for another 6 or 7 years total and let him leave in his early 30s.

You can win with the quality of the arms we keep bringing up. Even factoring in guys who we don't know their total value or got hurt we have called up since 09. Medlen, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Julio, Wood, and Delgado. Hanson in 09 would be the first one we would have traded off most likely assuming he stayed healthy. If we can keep that level of talent coming through the system then you can easily get by with a 3 man rotation for the backend.

Building off now let's kick Medlen out now and Bring Huddy back or kick Medlen out after Arb 2 and roll

2014

Hudson/Medlen

Minor

Julio

Beachy

Wood

2015

Minor

Julio

Beachy

Wood

Sims

2016

Minor

Julio

Wood

Sims

Cabrera

That's not counting the level of good but not great talent guys we have like Graham and Gilmartin who I would put in there if not for Shoulder issues, or guys like Northcraft, Hale, Martin, etc.

By only keeping 2 guys who're cheap now but will be expensive later and pawning off guys like Medlen or Beachy before they cost way too much allows us to do 2 things. First we can restock our farm system or make a move for a need in the position department. Second is that money would allow us to more likely keep Justin, Jason, Freddie and Simmons together who are the 4 guys we have to keep around if we want to be great for the next 4-5 years.
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Hursh will be in the Majors before Sims.
 
zitothebrave said:
2014
Hudson/Medlen
Minor
Julio
Beachy
Wood

2015
Minor
Julio
Beachy
Wood
Sims

2016
Minor
Julio
Wood
Sims
Cabrera
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Here's how I see it

2014
Hudson
Medlen
Beachy
Minor
Teheran (with Wood in reserve in AAA)

2015
Medlen (free agent year, hope has a great season and we can collect an extra #1 draft pick)
Beachy
Minor
Teheran
Wood (with Graham and Hursh in reserve in AAA)

2016
Beachy (free agent year, see above comment about Medlen)
Minor
Teheran
Wood
Graham or Hursh (with Sims and Cabrera in reserve in AAA)

Some of the above will not work out/get injured. We have in reserve Martin, Gilmartin, Northcraft, Schlosser, Hale, Parsons, Thomas. Some of the reserve won't pan out either. But a couple will go to the pen. One or two will step in the rotation. And a couple will get traded.
 
Sims won't be in the majors until 2016 at the earliest IMO. They are going to be patient and develop him right.
 
thethe said:
Why is everyone so confident about Huddy being able to return effectively?
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I think we would have heard if it was a career threatening type of injury. It looked awful, but it seems not to be a Joe Theisman type injury.
 
skidlee said:
why are you not? its just a broke ankle
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I mean, Huddy is not a young man. Luckily its not his plant leg but I just don't see how we can just assume that a 39 year old man will be able to recover from surgery and pitch in the major leagues.
 
nsacpi said:
There is a lot of value to having a talented major league-ready starter in AAA. We were lucky not to have needed one until July this year. The odds are our best starter in AAA will end up getting a lot of major league starts.
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With our payroll, we need younger guys in the rotation who don't make much.

Wood needs to be in the rotation next season.
 
nsacpi said:
Two years ago everyone wanted to lock up Beachy, last year it was Medlen, this year Minor, next year it will be Teheran and in two years Wood will be that indispensable ace. I see a pattern (we can take it back further to Hanson and Jurrjens). As I said the pipeline overfloweth. No need to risk long-term contracts on pitchers, even younger ones.
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Well, you can't keep everyone.

Minor is also only 25 or 26, can't expect every prospect to pan out. I would definitely look at signing Minor to a long term deal. He's the real deal.
 
Is there anything wrong with signing pitchers to long term deals.

Minor isn't in his 30's.

You can't expect every pitcher to pan out.

I'd build around Minor and Julio then work the other 3 spots depending how some develop.
 
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