NFL Draft Thread

Its one season. Lets see him do it again. Making him a star is a reach ti get a valid comparison between GMs. Baalke has blows TD away the last 4 tmyears.
 
thethe said:
Its one season. Lets see him do it again. Making him a star is a reach ti get a valid comparison between GMs. Baalke has blows TD away the last 4 tmyears.
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And on average he's picked much higher so he didn't have to make a trade like the Julio trade to get say, Aldon Smith or Iupati, or Anthony Davis, they were at high picks from the Niners record or the previous GM's trade.
 
I guess my key point is so far he's gotten what 2 decent NFL starters so far who weren't high/mid first rounders or high seconds. Very good chance that both Hageman and Matthews start for Atlanta for quite some time. When you pick high in the draft it's easy to look brilliant. I'm not trying to compare Dimitroff to Baalke. I just brought it up for lulz. Dimitroff already left his stamp on Atlanta by bringing in Ryan, if Kaepernick stays healthy and one of the top 10 QBs in the NFL then Baalke will have left his mark on SF. BUt best drafter usually goes to teams that are constantly competitive but still replenish their teams. See Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc.
 
thethe said:
LOL...give credit to TD for Ryan and diminishes baalke for picking high. How ironic.
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Never really gave him credit. I'm saying his legacy in the eyes of Falcons fans is set. He added the best QB in Atlanta's history. He's set even if he tanks drafts he'll be remembered fondly for that. If the Falcons get a ring he'll be idolized. Again I'm not comparing the 2. I just brought in Dimitroff for lulz. Because no one considers him an amazing drafter yet on the Falcons last year 14 of their 22 offensive and defensive starters were his picks. Sure many of them stank and have been replaced via FA. But he's still at 12 for this year assuming that something like Hageman beating out some of the other DL doesn't happen, and none of the FS we drafted take over. Again if KAepernick is legit adn is one of the top QBs in the NFL for a decade then Baalke has left his positive mark, if he isn't, what does he have to show that the previous SF GMs didn't?

And drafting QBs isn't as easy as drafting OL and DL. The bust rate on high OL and DL is much much lower than the bust rate on QBs.
 
Semi-conspiracy theory, What are the odds that the NFL encouraged teams to take Sam in the 7th round? I mean maybe they figured they'd get better ratings on the weak last day of the draft with the will Sam get drafted people paying attention.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well barring a massive collapse, Trufant was one of the 10 best corners in the NFL, I am fairly certain he keeps that up. Especially since the Falcons couldn't rush the passer.

Reid wasn't close to Trufant's level.
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Reid is gonna be really good.

I liked what i saw from him last year, impressive player.
 
Trufant was a complete stud last year. Especially when you consider the huge learning curve at the position. It is much bigger than safety.

Lol thethe,

I like how Reid was a star (!!!!!!) after one year, but now let's wait before anointing Trufant. He would have had another int if Moore didn't knock him unconscious in the ez.
 
TD also picked Ryan when most fans/execs/scouts thought they would go with the need at DT for Dorsey. That deserves some credit for seeing it and going for the guy he saw as a great qb.
 
For anyone wondering about Southward... Looks like he will be a starter. Our staff coached him at he senior bowl .

Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff confirmed third-round pick S Dezmen Southward will play free safety.

Southward will be the "center fielder" in Atlanta. He doesn't have much experience in man coverage but is an athletic freak who ran a scintillating 4.38 forty and posted a 42-inch vertical at Wisconsin's Pro Day. Southward has some injury red flags, but he should be able to beat out Dwight Lowery for the starting gig.
 
Atlanta Falcons: B-

Top needs: OT, DE/OLB, TE, S

Needs: C
Value: B

Summary: I was a big fan of the Jake Matthews pick when it happened, and I'm not changing my tune now. Big need, good player and you add the bonus of his versatility. The Falcons also got a pretty good safety prospect in Dez Southward, hitting another need. But there were also a couple areas I think they missed, and maybe it had to do with the way the board was breaking. For instance, they really need pass-rush help, and Demarcus Lawrence could have been an option at No. 37, but Dallas moved up and grabbed him. Atlanta ends up with a high-upside talent in Ra'Shede Hageman, but he ran really hot and cold at Minnesota. Devonta Freeman gives them an underrated running back, which is something they need, and maybe Prince Shembo can provide some value as a pass-rusher. Ricardo Allen is a solid player and gives them added depth at CB. Tyler Starr is also a sleeper as a pass-rushing addition. The question for me is whether they did enough to really help the pass rush, which was a big need, and I also think a tight end made sense given the departure at that position. Not bad, overall. Matthews will be good.

2014 draft picks
Rd Pk Pos Player College
(1) 6 T Jake Matthews Texas A&M
(2) 37 DT Ra'Shede Hageman Minnesota
(3) 68 DB Dez Southward Wisconsin
(4) 103 RB Devonta Freeman Florida State
(4) 139 OLB Prince Shembo Notre Dame
(5) 147 DB Ricardo Allen Purdue
(5) 168 LB Marquis Spruill Syracuse
(7) 253 OLB Yawin Smallwood UConn
(7) 255 LB Tyler Starr South Dakota
 
I really like this Carlos Hyde pick. He was incredibly productive and based on clips I've watched of him he is an excellent cutter and doesn't seem to lose that much speed in and out of his cuts. I love that the team is still staying dedicted to the run. It really helps Kaep out and makes his running all the more effective.
 
thethe said:
I really like this Carlos Hyde pick. He was incredibly productive and based on clips I've watched of him he is an excellent cutter and doesn't seem to lose that much speed in and out of his cuts. I love that the team is still staying dedicted to the run. It really helps Kaep out and makes his running all the more effective.
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You'll be much more impressed with his bruise-ability than his cuts or speed. Dude loves running up the middle.
 
yeezus said:
You'll be much more impressed with his bruise-ability than his cuts or speed. Dude loves running up the middle.
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Yeah, his highlights were impressive for sure. Guy doesn't mind the contact but that probably means his career will peak quick and end even quicker.
 
Matthews and Hageman were great picks by the Falcons. And I also think Hyde is going to be a stud. If the saints needed a rb I would have wanted it to be Hyde.
 
Wasn't there some ?s about Hyde coming into the year about not being the starter? Always leery of rbs with a mobile qb.
 
thethe said:
Atlanta Falcons: B-

Top needs: OT, DE/OLB, TE, S

Needs: C

Value: B

Summary: I was a big fan of the Jake Matthews pick when it happened, and I'm not changing my tune now. Big need, good player and you add the bonus of his versatility. The Falcons also got a pretty good safety prospect in Dez Southward, hitting another need. But there were also a couple areas I think they missed, and maybe it had to do with the way the board was breaking. For instance, they really need pass-rush help, and Demarcus Lawrence could have been an option at No. 37, but Dallas moved up and grabbed him. Atlanta ends up with a high-upside talent in Ra'Shede Hageman, but he ran really hot and cold at Minnesota. Devonta Freeman gives them an underrated running back, which is something they need, and maybe Prince Shembo can provide some value as a pass-rusher. Ricardo Allen is a solid player and gives them added depth at CB. Tyler Starr is also a sleeper as a pass-rushing addition. The question for me is whether they did enough to really help the pass rush, which was a big need, and I also think a tight end made sense given the departure at that position. Not bad, overall. Matthews will be good.

2014 draft picks

Rd Pk Pos Player College

(1) 6 T Jake Matthews Texas A&M

(2) 37 DT Ra'Shede Hageman Minnesota

(3) 68 DB Dez Southward Wisconsin

(4) 103 RB Devonta Freeman Florida State

(4) 139 OLB Prince Shembo Notre Dame

(5) 147 DB Ricardo Allen Purdue

(5) 168 LB Marquis Spruill Syracuse

(7) 253 OLB Yawin Smallwood UConn

(7) 255 LB Tyler Starr South Dakota
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With an extremely weak TE class, we weren't going to draft a TE with a top 3 pick (which is the only place were you were going to get a starter). We would rather go 3 wide and use Levines big self on short routes and the red zone. I think Freeman was an awesome pick and should see time sooner rather than later. 4 guys that will probably see significant time this year with 3 getting HEAVY snaps. Hageman knows his weaknesses but has Cox to motivate him. Shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

We tried to move back into the first for Ford, but couldn't meet the high price. Don't blame them in this draft.
 
Tapate50 said:
Wasn't there some ?s about Hyde coming into the year about not being the starter? Always leery of rbs with a mobile qb.
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He was involved in an assault case before the season. Magically the woman dropped the charges all of a sudden.
 
Tapate50 said:
With an extremely weak TE class, we weren't going to draft a TE with a top 3 pick (which is the only place were you were going to get a starter). We would rather go 3 wide and use Levines big self on short routes and the red zone. I think Freeman was an awesome pick and should see time sooner rather than later. 4 guys that will probably see significant time this year with 3 getting HEAVY snaps. Hageman knows his weaknesses but has Cox to motivate him. Shouldn't be much of an issue going forward.

We tried to move back into the first for Ford, but couldn't meet the high price. Don't blame them in this draft.
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I disagree about this being a weak draft for tight ends.
 
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