No discussion on the theater shooting?

[yeezus]

If I am sitting in a theater watching a movie and someone comes barging in with an automatic weapon showering the place with bullets, I don't think that me or everyone else in the theater having a gun is going to make much, if any, difference.

PRECISELY.
This guy was not worried about consequences when he did this. Dying was a real possibility for him, I'm sure he knew it deep down, but it doesn't appear he was concerned with much other than shooting a bunch of people.

 

[Tapate50]

Perhaps by the time I go for the gun, they get nervous and pull the trigger accidentally and I'm dead anyhow.

Unless you want me to do some quick draw wild wild west type of stuff.

Perhaps you were smart enough to leave the safety on until needed.

 

[Tapate50]

If I am sitting in a theater watching a movie and someone comes barging in with an automatic weapon showering the place with bullets, I don't think that me or everyone else in the theater having a gun is going to make much, if any, difference.

Whaaaa?

 

[50PoundHead]

Whaaaa?

Again, simply possessing a firearm (1) won't deter a nut, and (2) doesn't account for the training necessary to react correctly in this situation. There's a little bit more than simply channeling your inner Raylan Givens here.

 

[yeezus]

Whaaaa?

Wait, that sounds outrageous to you?
If a person is randomly shooting up a theater and "good guy" who has a gun pulls his and starts shooting, who's to say he doesn't shoot innocent people himself? Who's to say he doesn't get shot before pulling his gun?
This is reality, not a movie where the good guy has perfect aim and WINS.

 

[Hawk]

Wait, that sounds outrageous to you?
If a person is randomly shooting up a theater and "good guy" who has a gun pulls his and starts shooting, who's to say he doesn't shoot innocent people himself? Who's to say he doesn't get shot before pulling his gun?
This is reality, not a movie where the good guy has perfect aim and WINS.

99.9% of the time an individual that's carrying concealed in a movie theater has a permit and is likely well-trained in the use of his firearm.

I think many people would prefer to have that guy in the theater with them if an incident similar to the one in Aurora were to occur.

You don't, and that's cool, but you are purposefully slapping around very sound logic from the other side.

 

[yeezus]

99.9% of the time an individual that's carrying concealed in a movie theater has a permit and is likely well-trained in the use of his firearm.

I think many people would prefer to have that guy in the theater with them if an incident similar to the one in Aurora were to occur.

You don't, and that's cool, but you are purposefully slapping around very sound logic from the other side.

One can be "well-trained" and not be able to shoot through crowds of frantic people. It's very possible this man makes no difference, or shoots some innocent people along the way. That logic is sound.

 

[weso1]

If I am sitting in a theater watching a movie and someone comes barging in with an automatic weapon showering the place with bullets, I don't think that me or everyone else in the theater having a gun is going to make much, if any, difference.

Sure it could easily make a difference. It's ok to admit that sturg is right on this one. If you had a theater full of guns then the dude probably wouldn't have even tried it in the first place. Now that doesn't mean that a society where most people carry is a good thing, but it would certainly help prevent some of these mass shootings. Of course mass shootings are very rare and only make up a very small amount of US homicides. The best answer is to just try to keep guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. Don't ban guns, but use better regulation.

 

[Hawk]

One can be "well-trained" and not be able to shoot through crowds of frantic people. It's very possible this man makes no difference, or shoots some innocent people along the way. That logic is sound.

I'm not saying that it isn't ... I see your point.

What I'm saying is that I would rather take my chances being protected by the guy with a gun than to just sit there and pray for the best.

 

[sturg33]

Sure it could easily make a difference. It's ok to admit that sturg is right on this one. If you had a theater full of guns then the dude probably wouldn't have even tried it in the first place. Now that doesn't mean that a society where most people carry is a good thing, but it would certainly help prevent some of these mass shootings. Of course mass shootings are very rare and only make up a very small amount of US homicides. The best answer is to just try to keep guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. Don't ban guns, but use better regulation.

Interesting that I've never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show

 

[jpx7]

99.9% of the time an individual that's carrying concealed in a movie theater has a permit and is likely well-trained in the use of his firearm.

From where are you sourcing this statistic?

You don't, and that's cool, but you are purposefully slapping around very sound logic from the other side.

I mean this seriously, and not in patronizing fashion: What's this "very sound logic" being slapped about?

 

[sturg33]

So just to be clear - 50, Sav, and Yeezus, would prefer to NOT have a gun if someone is holding a gun at them.

 

[sturg33]

That big cities vote democrat?

Or that the big "gun free" cities have a higher murder rate by 6X?

 

[Hawk]

Where are you sourcing this statistic?

The HSG (Hyperbolic Statistics Group). Well respected, quasi-legit.

 

[sturg33]

Wait, that sounds outrageous to you?
If a person is randomly shooting up a theater and "good guy" who has a gun pulls his and starts shooting, who's to say he doesn't shoot innocent people himself? Who's to say he doesn't get shot before pulling his gun?
This is reality, not a movie where the good guy has perfect aim and WINS.

So you assume he can kill more people... people who probably got killed anyway from the killer who had no resistance.

I suggest he can kill the killer. And that's outrageous.

Got it.

 

[jpx7]

So just to be clear - 50, Sav, and Yeezus, would prefer to NOT have a gun if someone is holding a gun at them.

We're not even through January, and you've already won Mr Reductio ad Ridiculum, 2014. Congratulations: what an honor.

 

[yeezus]

So just to be clear - 50, Sav, and Yeezus, would prefer to NOT have a gun if someone is holding a gun at them.

This is why arguing with you is like arguing with an infant.

 

[yeezus]

Or that the big "gun free" cities have a higher murder rate by 6X?

There are a lot of reasons that this is the case, and being a "gun free" zone may be on the lower end of reasons.

 

[sturg33]

I asked a very simple question and neither you answered one way or the other. This makes me think you would rather not have that weapon. If I'm wrong, just let me know and I'll edit.

 

[Hawk]

I mean this seriously, and not in patronizing fashion: What's this "very sound logic" being slapped about?

That an individual in possession of a gun is a better defender (against a mad man with automatic weaponry and tactical body armor) than an individual who is simply bare-knuckling it.