Nothing about the UCSB tragedy?

A couple of thoughts:

- We need to put more emphasis on mental healthcare in this country. Not just from a fiscal point of view, but also from a social aspect. The idea of seeking mental health in this country is viewed as somewhat shameful. We are way too apathetic about those who struggle with mental issues. These people are helpless members of our society. And it's not just to help prevent mass murder. There is a problem here for anyone that struggle with mental health. I'd rather the fed spend money helping those who have know capability to sustain themselves than those who are more self sustainable.

It's a major concern for sure. When I started in the ER 3 years ago, we maybe had 1 or 2 people on psych lock down on a given night, 3 on a bad night. Now I've come to work and found 5-10, and some of them in areas were they aren't on lock down as there's simply no where to put them. We can release them, but where are they gonna go? Who will help them? We are too busy paying out welfare to lazy fat rednecks (yes, and lazy liberals) who simply have given up on trying.

We had a poor little 9 year old boy in a lock down room for 5 days, and it was heart breaking to watch. Nurses did all they could, but since he had a local Medicaid insurance and not state, none of the counties that could help him would take him per the financial aspect.
 
I'll happily add in consumerism to the mix and agree with you 50. But aren't any of you at all concerned, in the least, with some of the other things I have mentioned?

Y'all think our overly sexualized and violent media culture has no part in this? That our cyber-life isn't a factor?

You always have bullies. There will always be socially awkward people. We've had access to guns throughout our history.

Today we are consumed with things, sex, violence, getting what we want when we want it. We ply dangerous prescription drugs like they are candy and we live lives within an a cyber-virtual-reality world that is very different than the one I grew up in. These are the things that I see that are different than days gone past.

And all that coupled with sinful hearts is a toxic mix.

I agree that there's a difference between feeling good mentally and living well and that while the drug therapy may (let me stress may) bring some things into balance internally, there still needs to be some kind of talk therapy (and that doesn't necessarily have to take the form of meeting with a psychologist) to bring behaviors into balance (which doesn't necessarily mean conforming to strict societal norms).

Bedell, I agree that the rampant consumerism and global marketplace for items has served to divide and isolate a lot of people, both children and adults. Add to that the stylized sex and violence delivered through the entertainment industry, which I think does contribute to the warped responses we often see in these types of instances.

As for your earlier question about the growing popularity of handguns, I have no concrete idea. I've never owned one and never wanted to own one. Among the furthest things from my mind. I don't begrudge gun owners their rights and I while I think there is a need to have an on-going discussion about gun policy, I don't know if that debate is served well by incidents like this one because everyone runs to their corner and shouts to the breezes. I think much of the popularity comes from another one of the media's pet drumbeat messages, which is "you are not safe." To me (and this will probably rankle some), it's almost like gun ownership is a psychotropic drug of a different sort in that it makes one "feel better" about their current situation. It may not solve anything, but it likely brings some sense of security to many. And gun owners, please don't take that as a criticism of your gun ownership. You have a right to feel secure and if this helps and you are a responsible gun owner, I have no problem with that. I will say (and this certainly is not a comment on all gun owners), there are some who continue to arm up because they never feel secure and some of those folks need to sit down with somebody and get to the heart of that issue within themselves.

weso, I work with schools and there's a big push to get more mental health services available to kids. There are a number of impediments, cost being primary, but there's no question something has to be done in this regard.

I've been reading some of the late Robert Nisbet's stuff, which is pretty good. He decried the collapse of community and the intermediary institutions (family, guild, union, church, lodge, etc.) that exist between the individual and the state (and the notion of a unitary culture). I think Nisbet misses the fact that some of this happened due to the continuing emigration from small rural communities to larger suburban and exurban communities that don't have free-standing local economies and cultures and that changes the context dramatically (and the state had little to do with that emigration). I've rambled, but I think as a society, we have yet to fully adjust to the huge change in the culture that has resulted from the emptying out of small town rural America into ever-expanding metropolitan areas. It is very difficult for many to find a place for themselves in the new communities and the global economy and I think that leads to the anomie we see acted out periodically. We may be "happier" in one sense, but less "secure" in a more important sense.
 
But why is it worse? What makes kids think they can say things and do things worse than giving someone a wedgie or threaten to beat them up? What fuels these changes?

I don't know really. Mom was a teacher, not the kind that teach ABCS and such, she was the one that teach the bad kids from 1990 to 2012 when she retired due to medical conditions. She was a drill sergeant teacher, a type that would get in your face and make you feel like you are one inch tall. She taught in a public schools and kids from 6 to 8th grade was given to her because they were kids that disrupt classrooms, violent and just plain bad. She told me a lot of things they do, show me videos of what they did and the parents, this is what shocked me, thought their prince and princess was a good student. She shown video of them what they were doing in class before she made them cry. My mom is vicious. I told you before her siblings send her kids to her because they can't control them but she can. Funny though, me, my brother were never a problem, but my sisters were when they were a teenager. My mom told them since my brother and I kept our sisters in check that if you mess up you are out of the house. She kicked them out of the house when they disobeyed simple orders. She let them do things teenagers do but my mom did not want a pregnant teenager and had rules, my sisters tested her and found themselves out of the house. One got pregnant at 19 but my mom did let them back in after they mess up after a certain amount of time. She calls it tough love.

I fight with my mom even today because she unlike my dad is an Obama devoted supported regardless of warts and the only reason because a black man became president even though the she is against most things I am against and it disgusts her. Now you know why we only fight, but she does give me GREAT advice on things not related to Obama reference my kids. Even though she is a hard core Christian and I don't go to a Baptist or Methodist church, she likes that I send my kids to church, even though it is Catholic and private school. She notice the difference to her favorite, my eldest, that my ex wife took her out of public school and went to private school. I did not know they talk a lot and was amazed that my current wife and ex wife are like best friends and talk to each other. My situation is unique because I have lived a very unorthodox life to be honest. I see things and live things that sculpt my way of thinking. I can be liberal in some ways and Conservative to others. This is who I am and why I post the things I have seen.

Parenting is the key to everything. My parents were great in molding me into what I am.

Parents is the key to keep stuff like this from happening. Listen to them and they will watch you. I know we are inna later generation but the earlier generations failed in bringing up smarter parents. My wife and I are product of our parents and her parents will celebrate their 40th anniversary and mine in two years their 50th anniversary.
 
Armed citizens have really been active lately unfortunately.

Armed guys in LV lost his life, but could have saved a lot of others by shooting bad guy in Wal-Mart.

Armed couple shoot masked intruder in St Lou

Guy armed with pepper spray takes out shooter in Seattle
 
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