zbhargrove
Well-known member
Heyman saying the sticking point for the Yankees and Gray is that they won't give up Torres of Frazier... yeah... not gonna happen A's.
Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread
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Gray probably goes to the first team offering a $30m+ prospect plus 2-3 other pieces.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
It's the theme of the rebuild.
Of course the Johns are smarter than everyone else, currently AND historically....so...
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I would like to see Coppy do the job without any influence of the guys overhead... just to see if he's the problem in some of these weird occasional decisions or not.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I refer to that as the Alex Wood trade. Obviously, I liked Alex a lot. I was on record at the time saying I didn't know if Wood would be a great starter, but he should be figuring it out in Atlanta, not LA. That deal just went against the stated goal of the rebuild and the general flow of the deals made....even if it had been made for some other, less odious middle aged maybe. Competitive balance pick, Paco, blah blah blah. It was Wood going out that I had a problem with. Still do. Most everything else I can live with and made sense on some level, but not that one.
And this surprises anyone? Of course everyone's a better whatever on the internet - just ask the blackjack dealer.
Yes GM's and FO's have more access to information than anyone here. I could also name 10 people on this board that I 100% believe would be a better GM than Dave Stewart.
And then re-sign him in the offseason. Smart move if they can get something decent.
I would as well.
Tapate50
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Jim Johnson - R - Braves
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Braves are "listening" to inquiries on Jim Johnson, but they're "not actively looking to move him."
Johnson is under contract for 2018 at a reasonable $4.5 million, so the Braves aren't necessarily in a rush to trade their closer, but Crasnick says of the reliever that "several teams have had scouts in to look at him." The veteran reliever hasn't had a great July, pushing his ERA for the year up to 4.10, but he boasts a nice 50/15 K/BB ratio over 41 2/3 innings and would be a quality addition for a contender, likely as a setup man. Arodys Vizcaino is a worth stash just in case the Braves do wind up dealing Johnson.
ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports that the Braves are "listening" to inquiries on Jim Johnson, but they're "not actively looking to move him."
Johnson is under contract for 2018 at a reasonable $4.5 million, so the Braves aren't necessarily in a rush to trade their closer, but Crasnick says of the reliever that "several teams have had scouts in to look at him." The veteran reliever hasn't had a great July, pushing his ERA for the year up to 4.10, but he boasts a nice 50/15 K/BB ratio over 41 2/3 innings and would be a quality addition for a contender, likely as a setup man. Arodys Vizcaino is a worth stash just in case the Braves do wind up dealing Johnson.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I hope they trade JJ or Viz.. BP arms general fetch the best return.
With the absolute log jam of arms they will have going into next year, why in the world would you not trade at least JJ and probably Viz. They are both inconsistent, but have good stuff and some pitching hungry team would take the gamble. It would clear probably in the neighborhood of at least 6 mil. off the books. Viz has two more arb. years.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I would say b/c Viz has been injured and JJ has been inconsistent.
I think moving JJ makes the most sense to move b/c ppl know what he is. He's a good RP with a solid contract. I don't think anyone will see him as a closer.
I think moving JJ and putting Viz in the closer role makes Viz much more valuable and maybe he's healthy next year.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Tehran for Chavis (blocked and close) + one of Scherff/Shawaryn + another piece.............who says no to that? I'd say Braves b/c they won't trade Tehran w/o knowing they have another 25-30 y/o to plug in the rotation.
Pretty interesting if they could move Johnson IMO. If you can, I'd consider taking his money and splitting it between Vizcaino and Ramirez in extensions - gives you a cheap, controllable arm that can be a Closer for a while. Say you offer each extensions for 3 years/$6 million this winter, you'd have gone a long way to fixing costs at the back end of the pen for a while.
Plus, as you mention, that'd sure make both awfully nice trade pieces in that price range.
David Price on 10 day DL with elbow/forearm problems. I think we all know where this is probably heading...
Let this be the latest cautionary tale about signing SPs into their 30s. The folks that want to make a push for someone like Darvish this offseason.
Price was arguably the most durable pitcher in the game in his 20s. He routinely tossed 200-220+ innings every year. His lowest inning total was 186 in 2013.
Then he turned 30...and now he's getting hurt.
I don't think I'd be better than any GM currently in the game at anything other than maybe valuing players in transactions. That's about 20% of what a GM does, and they easily outclass me in the other 80%.
I do, however, know for a fact I'd be better at it than you. You have zero idea how to evaluate player value. You would have traded Albies for Dee Gordon. You would have left the roster at 24 players after Colon was cut. You thought Wisler and Folty were equivalent pitchers this offseason.
I imagine 90% of the posters here would be better at it than you.
WaitingFor2017
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Why would you not try to trade Jim Johnson's mediocre-ness and try to save 5 million or more for next year. If there is interest there, and the team is willing to take on the entire contract, take some 40 FV player or other lottery ticket.