Rosenthal said the Twins are looking for controllable starters. Not sure there's an obvious fit with them for a Teheran deal. There's no way they'd give up Nick Gordon and there's not much else I like in the system outside of the recent draft class that can't be dealt until the offseason.
Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread
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zbhargrove
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Let's try to find a trade partner for Jaime Garcia. Since he is a 4/5 SP, and won't be getting any playoff starts, teams that have a playoff spot locked up don't need him. That leaves the Yanks, Rays, Jays, Twins, Royals, Angels, Rangers, Brewers, Cubs, and Cards.
Off to the splits leader boards!!
We are looking for teams who don't have 5 SPs producing positive fWAR so far this year over 40+ IP (half the workload a legit SP should have pitched so far). That leaves us with:
Rays - Odorizzi at -0.2 fWAR
Angels - Nolasco at -0.2 fWAR
Rangers - Nick Martinez at 0.0 fWAR
Cubs - Lackey at -0.1 fWAR
We know the Cubs are setting their sights on a SP higher than Garcia, so I'm going to count them out.
Considering the Angels also need an upgrade at 2B, they might be a prime destination for a BP/Garcia package.
Off to the splits leader boards!!
We are looking for teams who don't have 5 SPs producing positive fWAR so far this year over 40+ IP (half the workload a legit SP should have pitched so far). That leaves us with:
Rays - Odorizzi at -0.2 fWAR
Angels - Nolasco at -0.2 fWAR
Rangers - Nick Martinez at 0.0 fWAR
Cubs - Lackey at -0.1 fWAR
We know the Cubs are setting their sights on a SP higher than Garcia, so I'm going to count them out.
Considering the Angels also need an upgrade at 2B, they might be a prime destination for a BP/Garcia package.
My recollection is that BP gets an extra $.5M or $1M bump should the Braves trade him during the year. I think I recall that that is what held up the trade originally.
Does that increase or decrease the chances of DAT DUDE being traded?... or of no consequence? I can't believe the Braves would have agreed to it if it were going to limit their ability to move him.
Does that increase or decrease the chances of DAT DUDE being traded?... or of no consequence? I can't believe the Braves would have agreed to it if it were going to limit their ability to move him.
Actually kinda wonder if they'd go far enough - Gonsalves should be ready next season, and Mitch Garver could turn out to be a nice piece to pair with Flowers (especially if he's extended), but I'm not sure that's enough. LaMonte Wade and Wander Javier actually look at least a little intriguing depending on what our scouts have seen.
zbhargrove
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Don't think we know which teams BP has a no trade clause for, though. Also, do the Angels have anything worth giving us?
It won't take much to get guys like BP and Garcia.
The Angels best prospect is Jahmai Jones, a toolsy FV 50 OFer in A ball that is a Top 100ish guy. They have an even younger (or less experienced) OF in Rk ball named Brandon Marsh that is interesting.
They are 3 games behind the Rays for the 2nd WC slot with 2 other mediocre teams in their way (Twins and Royals), and they are about to get the best player on the planet back in their lineup.
Would they be motivated to push what little prospect assets they have to make a playoff push this year? Hard to say, but the trio of BP/Garcia/Adams would improve them fairly significantly, and would require taking on minimal payroll.
Why would we trade anything of value for Prado? And I'm a Prado fan. But you're trading not 1, but 2 worthwhile prospects for someone with a sub .700 OPS and who will be 34 in a few months... Why???
And yes, I see that you're having them eat money, but it's rather pointless. They'll likely be forced to eat money to trade him anyways.
zbhargrove
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I'd take a flyer on either one of those. Jones does look interesting. If we can get something like that, go for it.
The Braves wouldn't, just like they wouldn't use a Kemp/Adams platoon in LF. These are terrible, terrible ideas posted by someone who knows almost nothing about baseball or the Braves.
Clv has literally never posted an intelligent idea. This is the type of drivel he peddles at his blog too.
Prado's time for us has passed, unless they just give him away...which won't happen. Too much money for a older guy who is having problems even staying in the line-up. I like the guy, but not for us. We need to trade for a young controlable guy that matches our window. Those won't come cheap, but they will at least be worth it, if it's the right guy.
nsacpi
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I think they will give him away. For a C prospect.
Oklahomabrave
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Carmen DeFalco
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Some Q stuff; from source, "stating to feel like it won't be long. Braves making push since weekend. Brewers and Rockies, too." #WhiteSox
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Braves are pushing hard for Quintana from the White Sox. Large package of prospects looking like what gets deal done.WS want a top 3 org bat"
He also said:
"Braves hesitant to part with Maitan, Acuna or Albies, though. Especially the latter as those two should be up at some point in 2018. One more note here: Braves would be most likely to part with Albies as Phillps and Camargo can both play 2B through 2017 and into 2018. And if the Braves trade Albies, it means they could be looking at Demeritte as the long-term option at 2B instead
Also of note, raBBit on twitter just said:
"Yeah I'm leaning towards Q never pitches for Sox again."
@CarmenDeFalco
Some Q stuff; from source, "stating to feel like it won't be long. Braves making push since weekend. Brewers and Rockies, too." #WhiteSox
"Scott Carasik
@CarasikS
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Braves are pushing hard for Quintana from the White Sox. Large package of prospects looking like what gets deal done.WS want a top 3 org bat"
He also said:
"Braves hesitant to part with Maitan, Acuna or Albies, though. Especially the latter as those two should be up at some point in 2018. One more note here: Braves would be most likely to part with Albies as Phillps and Camargo can both play 2B through 2017 and into 2018. And if the Braves trade Albies, it means they could be looking at Demeritte as the long-term option at 2B instead
Also of note, raBBit on twitter just said:
"Yeah I'm leaning towards Q never pitches for Sox again."
bravesfanMatt
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Thanks oak. But ugh.
The Braves are sorely mistaken if they think they are a single SP away from being a playoff team, especially if that means downgrading from Albies to Camargo/Demeritte at 2B.
We may be about to see a non-contender make a "win now" move at the cost of tens of million of dollars in future surplus value.
If it goes down, this trade will mark when the rebuild died.
We may be about to see a non-contender make a "win now" move at the cost of tens of million of dollars in future surplus value.
If it goes down, this trade will mark when the rebuild died.
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Please don't blow up the rebuild to trade for Quintana. He's gonna lose value here and we'll look like idiots for buying. He's already been mildly worse than last year and is giving up more HRs.
Plus we're not that close.
Plus we're not that close.
zbhargrove
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Hate to agree with you, but you're right. Quintana, while very good, I don't know if he can be considered an ace. He's close I guess and he's been pitching much better recently. But honestly, I'd rather trade Swanson than Albies. I know our FO won't give up the hair, though. We definitely cannot give up Maitan or Acuna.
zbhargrove
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Not to get into semantic too much, because I agree not to give up the farm for Quintana, but slightly worse than last year? He was fantastic last year.