Willie Calhoun?
Make it Calhoun and Will Smith and I'd jerk the Dodgers' arm off if I were Coppy. Unfortunately we know the Dodgers aren't likely to go there again.
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Willie Calhoun?
Make it Calhoun and Will Smith and I'd jerk the Dodgers' arm off if I were Coppy. Unfortunately we know the Dodgers aren't likely to go there again.
Um no. A 40 FV for the package of Harrell/Alvarez is entirely within the realm of expectations.
Alvarez was a much better asset than folks around here realize apparently. He was more valuable than Harrell.
The Braves would do well to get the equivalent of Alvarez in return for Garcia at the deadline.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Calhoun would be a decent pick-up. Some defensive questions, but the guy can hit.
Except the Braves didn't get a 40 FV prospect for that package, they got a 45-50 FV prospect.
At the time of the trade Longerhans had TD as a 45 FV guy and he's currently listed as a 50 FV guy.
Yes Alvarez was a better asset than Harrel, no he is not much better than people around here realize, and the Braves will get a better piece than Dario Alvarez if they trade Garcia.
Dario Alvarez career numbers - 5.48 ERA, 5.18 WHIP, -.04 WAR. That's the guy you don't think people around here 'fully appreciate'??
I don't even want to get into this tit-for-tat type of stuff; its pointless and I don't think most of the board enjoys reading it.
My point has never been that Garcia is going to land a top-100 type player, but I think he can land a guy with tools that has upside or an exciting player that has fallen out of favor. Maybe a guy like Derian Cruz in another system, some really young player who has some holes but upside. Or a guy like TD, who has legitimate tools but has fallen out of favor, those are the types I would target and I think Garcia could land one of them.
Cruz is a 40 FV right now and TD was 45 FV when traded and is a 50 FV now according to FGs.
If you can find a way to package pieces together to land a better piece that works as well.
My point has never been that Garcia is going to land a top-100 type player, but I think he can land a guy with tools that has upside or an exciting player that has fallen out of favor. Maybe a guy like Derian Cruz in another system, some really young player who has some holes but upside. Or a guy like TD, who has legitimate tools but has fallen out of favor, those are the types I would target and I think Garcia could land one of them.
Cruz is a 40 FV right now and TD was 45 FV when traded and is a 50 FV now according to FGs.
If you can find a way to package pieces together to land a better piece that works as well.
zbhargrove
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Alvarez has pitched a total 43 MLB innings in his whole career with terrible surface stats and terrible peripherals. When he got to Texas, he was shortly demoted to AAA because of poor performance. So that's the guy who was really valuable to the Rangers?
he won't be when they re-rank him.
Again I'd rather not get too caught up in 50 FV or 45 FV; that's really subjective and changes quickly depending on which site you go to and which prospect guru you talk to. Especially for players that are younger.
At the time of the trade (7/27/16) FG didn't have Longenhagen's FV on anyone (Braves list posted 2/21/17). So I have no idea what you're taking about.
Further, TD is currently a FV 45 guy on FG. So again, I have no idea what you're talking about.
And yes, that Dario Alvarez. The BP LHer that had 16 K/9 with the Braves, and is nearly at 10 per with the Rangers. The one with 5 years of control when he was traded.
But hey, keep thinking the Braves are going to get a haul for Garcia. Who am I to dash the hopes of a pozzy-Barve?
Well that can't be right.
OK geniuses, let's hear your potential returns for Garcia. Let's say from the Cubs and/or Astros.
After the deadline we will, once again, look back and see who was right.
Harrell/Alvarez were not that valuable at all. Signed and claimed off the trash heap. What made them valuable is the fact a GM could cover two needs in one trade. To even compare those two guys to someone like Phillips or Garcia is laughable. JJ, Garcia, Phillips and Adams have NEVER been reclamation type players...ever.
Saying we when we acquired TD is not a normal return is one thing...trying to compare these players is not.
Saying we when we acquired TD is not a normal return is one thing...trying to compare these players is not.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/scouting-new-braves-prospect-travis-demeritte/
Here's the breakdown on TD from Longerhans when he was traded, within the article he breaks down his tools and gives him a 45 FV. Maybe it didn't update to the site?
I have never said they'll get a haul for him.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I haven't said anything about Garcia. I don't know what someone may give for him. I'm just responding to your post about how valuable Dario freaking Alvarez is and how hilarious that view is.
Exactly. You can get a 40 FV guy that can be a much higher rated player in the future. That's the point.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Dario and Harrell were great for us.. but it was such a small sample size that no competent GM would ever over pay if they paid attention to the advanced stats that define who they really are.
Yeah, he was so valuable...we claimed him off waivers.
Yet someone did....which is the point to this whole discussion. Not that it is normal, but that it can and will happen at the deadline at times.
Again, stop side stepping the question.
What do you geniuses think the return for Garcia is going to be this trade deadline? If I'm wrong, tell me what's right. We will look back after the deadline and point out, once again, that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You are all so quick to nitpick whatever I say, so step up and make your own evaluations.
I'll start...
Garcia has a surplus value in the $5M range. I could see that getting a 40 FV lottery ticket pitcher with control/injury concerns. Someone like Duane Underwood from the Cubs, a low mid/end FV 40 guy with some upside.
What do you geniuses think the return for Garcia is going to be this trade deadline? If I'm wrong, tell me what's right. We will look back after the deadline and point out, once again, that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You are all so quick to nitpick whatever I say, so step up and make your own evaluations.
I'll start...
Garcia has a surplus value in the $5M range. I could see that getting a 40 FV lottery ticket pitcher with control/injury concerns. Someone like Duane Underwood from the Cubs, a low mid/end FV 40 guy with some upside.