Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

I'd trade Newcombe and Swanson plus a couple outside our top 5 for archer.

Albies to ss would be an upgrade imo.

No way it happens. Coppy has a ff boner for Swanson
 
I know it is only four starts. But I might include folty in a package before newk right now. Personally I don't want to entertain a package for a cheap starter. We already have cheap starters.
 
Odds are so heavily against a Colome trade working out in our favor. Giving up all those assets for one arm that could blow out at any time. If we make this kind of trade it needs to be the kind that takes us from competitive to world series contenders and not from below .500 to competitive. The goal is to win the world series not just make the playoffs.
 
The cost of acquiring someone like Archer is prohibitive, in part because of his contract.

But we can pick up a pitcher (like Gray, Samardzija or Cueto) who could help us this year and for a couple years after. Those pitchers are not quite as good as Archer. But they would cost a lot less to acquire, in part because they don't carry the kind of team-friendly contract that Archer does.

We have some money coming off the books in 2018 (from Garcia and Colon). Some of it will be eaten up by raises scheduled to happen. But there should be enough to take on a larger contract. Samardzija for example makes less than the combined salaries of Garcia and Colon.

I think if we offered two of Sims, Touki and Wentz to the Giants for Samardzija, we would have a fair chance of getting a deal done.
 
nsacpi said:
The cost of acquiring someone like Archer is prohibitive, in part because of his contract.

But we can pick up a pitcher (like Gray, Samardzija or Cueto) who could help us this year and for a couple years after. Those pitchers are not quite as good as Archer. But they would cost a lot less to acquire, in part because they don't carry the kind of team-friendly contract that Archer does.

We have some money coming off the books in 2018 (from Garcia and Colon). Some of it will be eaten up by raises scheduled to happen. But there should be enough to take on a larger contract. Samardzija for example makes less than the combined salaries of Garcia and Colon.

I think if we offered two of Sims, Touki and Wentz to the Giants for Samardzija, we would have a fair chance of getting a deal done.
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I think they'd buy him a first class ticket to ATL.
 
striker42 said:
This is the problem with having a stacked farm system. Other teams will demand a higher price because we can afford it.
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I'm a Celtics fan (judge me all you want lol) and that's our issue. We have so many assets that everyone is asking the moon of Ainge.
 
no no no derptards, its 1fv=1fv in trades only and that's all GMs see. Market factors don't apply.

Derp on derptards.
 
From Jeff Passan

Among the hottest names on the trade market right now? Brad Hand, of course.
For those unfamiliar – and outside of those that follow the National League West, that percentage may be quite large – Hand is a left-handed reliever for the San Diego Padres. He is rather good. The Padres moved him to the bullpen after the Marlins designated him for assignment and turned a free pickup into a commodity for whom one evaluator said San Diego wants “a Chapman-type return.”

Yup. Padres GM A.J. Preller is asking for the moon in a Hand deal, believing a thin relief market, Hand’s ability to work multiple days in a row, his left-handedness and his two years of remaining control make him a unique asset. Now, let’s get something straight: He isn’t Aroldis Chapman, and he will not fetch a prospect of Gleyber Torres’ caliber in return.
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If the reliever market is that hot, then Coppy needs to be looking at what's out there for Viz and JJ
 
I think Hand would get a good bit more than either Viz or JJ. This goes back to my thing about Viz not fetching something great because he hasn't been as dominant, as healthy, or as consistent as recent RPs traded. I'd still deal him, of course. It just won't be a super impressive return, IMO.
 
Rick
12:20 The Braves are rumored to be interested in controllable starters like Gray and Quintana. Is it too soon in their rebuild process to be trying for such an acquisition? I find it difficult to believe that the team could be a legitimate playoff contender even by 2019.
Dave Cameron
12:20 The Braves continue to believe that they're better than they are, seemingly.
I know they want to win soon. They just aren't capable of it.
 
Enscheff said:
Rick
12:20 The Braves are rumored to be interested in controllable starters like Gray and Quintana. Is it too soon in their rebuild process to be trying for such an acquisition? I find it difficult to believe that the team could be a legitimate playoff contender even by 2019.
Dave Cameron
12:20 The Braves continue to believe that they're better than they are, seemingly.
I know they want to win soon. They just aren't capable of it.
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This is one of those statements that is difficult to evaluate without breaking this prediction down to its component parts.

A lot can happen in an offseason, let alone two.
 
Enscheff said:
Rick
12:20 The Braves are rumored to be interested in controllable starters like Gray and Quintana. Is it too soon in their rebuild process to be trying for such an acquisition? I find it difficult to believe that the team could be a legitimate playoff contender even by 2019.
Dave Cameron
12:20 The Braves continue to believe that they're better than they are, seemingly.
I know they want to win soon. They just aren't capable of it.
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I've been thinking about where the team is going to be on the expected win curve in 2018. The consensus starting this year was 75-80 wins. Based upon first half performance, I've upgraded what I expect from Freeman, Inciarte and Flowers going forward and downgraded what I expect from Teheran. The net is a plus 4 WAR or so relative to the start of the year.

The other thing that factors into 2018 is that we are spending 24.5M this year on salary to Garcia and Colon and getting very little in return. With that kind of money we should be able to buy a couple more wins.

All told, I think we should be about 5 wins better in 2018 that the 75-80 win consensus we had at the start of the 2017 seasons.
 
nsacpi said:
I've been thinking about where the team is going to be on the expected win curve in 2018. The consensus starting this year was 75-80 wins. Based upon first half performance, I've upgraded what I expect from Freeman, Inciarte and Flowers going forward and downgraded what I expect from Teheran. The net is a plus 4 WAR or so relative to the start of the year.

The other thing that factors into 2018 is that we are spending 24.5M this year on salary to Garcia and Colon and getting very little in return. With that kind of money we should be able to buy a couple more wins.

All told, I think we should be about 5 wins better in 2018 that the 75-80 win consensus we had at the start of the 2017 seasons.
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There is 32 million coming off between Garcia, Colon, and Dickey (team option). You can clear another 4.5 by trading Johnson at the break, which should be done.
 
Southcack77 said:
There is 32 million coming off between Garcia, Colon, and Dickey (team option). You can clear another 4.5 by trading Johnson at the break, which should be done.
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we've been getting our money's worth from Johnson and I think Dickey is coming around...im not so sure spending their salaries on alternative players in 2018 would be a plus
 
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