Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

Enscheff said:
Just so I'm clear....

There are folks on this board that think the Braves should dump an incredible amount of resources to acquire Yelich when the team is already paying Kemp and Markakis a combined $30M.

And this is contigent in the Braves unloading Kemp or Markakis? Guys who are so bad the Braves are looking to replace them?

Doesn't add up. At all.

Braves need to fix 3b this offseason, and either replace Dickey or pick up his option. Maybe acquire a legit 4th OFer.

It would be foolish to add at the deadline. The Braves FO is smarter than paying the contenders premium when they aren't contending.

Nothing has changed, yet the same bad ideas keep getting bounced around. It's odd.
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In the scenario they get Yelich, i would assume they shop Markakis or Kemp for his spot.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Kemp & Markakis - if you can give them away and shed the payroll then do it. You won't get any return because in the big scheme of things they suck.
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Muk's contract expires after 2018 and Acuna will replace him, possibly before the contract expires. If we want to compete in 2019, it would be better to have someone like Happ in left than Kemp. Obviously it is a two part process. Moving Kemp. Acquiring a good young bat. I don't think we should be too concerned with the order. Some AL team will want Kemp, though we might have to eat some salary.
 
Heyward said:
In the scenario they get Yelich, i would assume they shop Markakis or Kemp for his spot.
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And how are they going to trade either one?

Why in the world would any team want a player so bad the Braves just replaced them?

Folks are living in lala land if they think the Braves are somehow going to move a player with negative value, acquire a player with massive surplus value, and somehow come out ahead?

There is no logic behind these scenarios. The Braves will not be acquiring Christian Yelich. They hitched their wagon to Kemp and Markakis. It was dumb, but that's the scenario now.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
They should sell or baseball purgatory awaits - not good enough to win, not bad enough to have to rebuild.

Teheran - maybe better than he has shown, but certainly will never be TOR. If he is better than he has shown then he is a 3 and the Braves have (or should have) 3's coming out of their ears.

Johnson - placeholder closer who will be too old to be good when the rest of the team is good.

All other BP arms right now - if the right return you pull the trigger because BP arms are volatile and none of the current ones are long term answers.

Adams - if you find the right partner with the right need, you may be able to pair him up and get his value+. He also has no long term future on the team unless you see the Braves carrying an expensive bench guy who can only play 1B.

J Peterson, A. Garcia, etc - all bit part guys with no future on the team that won't bring anything back likely but will be cut if there are no takers anyway.

J Garcia - FA to be who's value is that he's a LH with a pulse. If you can get anything for him, you should.

Dickey - has some future value as a placeholder next year if you think you will really need that and that he won't suddenly turn into a pumpkin. I say trade him if you get decent offers and worry about a place holder in the offseason.

Suzuki - playing better than he is and should bring more than he is worth but might be worth it to keep because of the young pitching.

Flowers - see Suzuki.

Kemp & Markakis - if you can give them away and shed the payroll then do it. You won't get any return because in the big scheme of things they suck.

The Braves should be active and they should be selling. But they won't.
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First of all, the Braves should be an 80-85 win team next year. There is no reason to sell assets under control for next year. The window is opening. The time for unloading everyone is over.

If the Braves were to sell off all expiring assets, they will be replaced with internal options who are still good enough that the Braves won't be getting a Top 5 pick anyways. Worst case scenario is they trade BP then promote Albies, or trade Garcia and "see what they have" with Allard or Soroka.

Keeping those guys in place just to prevent them from needlessly starting the clocks of the top prospects is worth more than they will get in return.

Unless a package of vets gets a solid prospect back, keep them all. The Braves don't need more fringe prospects, and they won't make themselves bad enough to get a Top 5 pick anyways.
 
I have a hard time seeing how Adams isn't redundant on a team that plays Freeman at first base and also has Sean Rodriguez. Where exactly is he gong to get at bats that can't be given to someone else equally efficiently. He has a significant left/right split and he really only plays one position. I question his value as a bench piece.
 
Enscheff said:
First of all, the Braves should be an 80-85 win team next year.
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Its interesting how we got there. What we've seen from Freeman and Inciarte so far this year has convinced me that we can get 3 or 4 more wins from those two than I thought was the baseline at the start of the year. The second part is we are clearing 25M in salary to Colon and Garcia that we have gotten virtually no return on this year. Some of that will be used to pay for raises for other players. But we should be able to use the rest to buy about 2 wins (probably in the form of a third baseman or starting pitcher).

Yet to come is the contribution from younger core players (Swanson, Albies, Acuna, Soroka, Allard, Gohara) but a significant part of that should be occurring in 2019 and possibly at some point in 2018.
 
nsacpi said:
One kind of deal that might happen is a salary dump/exchange of undesirable assets type trade. It happened in the form of Kemp/Olivera last year. This year something with the Marlins possibly involving Prado could happen or maybe with the Padres involving Solarte.
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Solarte would be pretty budget friendly and he's at least young and the options are in the team's favor. But I can only imagine that the Padres would want something much more valuable than the Marlins would want for Prado.

I personally almost don't see the point in Prado. He's 33 and fairly expensive at 13.5 m in 2018 and 15 m in 2019. He's been a better player than Solarte at points in his career but he's older and more expensive. In some respects though he would fit the Braves dual timeline. He can probably be acquired for less than a premium prospect and he comes off the payroll at the same time as Kemp, which seems to be the real point at which the Braves next run should start.
 
Southcack77 said:
I have a hard time seeing how Adams isn't redundant on a team that plays Freeman at first base and also has Sean Rodriguez. Where exactly is he gong to get at bats that can't be given to someone else equally efficiently. He has a significant left/right split and he really only plays one position. I question his value as a bench piece.
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I wonder if we're valuing Rodriguez too highly based on one outlier season. Aside from last year and '10-'12 he's been replacement level. He could very easily turn into today's version of Keith Lockhart.
 
Enscheff said:
And how are they going to trade either one?

Why in the world would any team want a player so bad the Braves just replaced them?

Folks are living in lala land if they think the Braves are somehow going to move a player with negative value, acquire a player with massive surplus value, and somehow come out ahead?

There is no logic behind these scenarios. The Braves will not be acquiring Christian Yelich. They hitched their wagon to Kemp and Markakis. It was dumb, but that's the scenario now.
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It is pretty easy to think of logical reasons a team might be willing to take Markakis.

It's harder to come up with one for Kemp.
 
You guys are over thinking this for third base. At worst Camargo is a below average plus defensive third baseman at league min. That's who should play for the next two years
 
DirkPiggler said:
I wonder if we're valuing Rodriguez too highly based on one outlier season. Aside from last year and '10-'12 he's been replacement level. He could very easily turn into today's version of Keith Lockhart.
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I'm mostly valuing him as a utility man/pinch hitter. Adams may or may not be a better player, but Rodriguez is more versatile and absent another Freeman injury how do you get Adams more than 10 starts?

I'm fine with keeping him, but if there is any value at all there, it makes sense to flip him. He's non-essential.
 
nsacpi said:
Its interesting how we got there. What we've seen from Freeman and Inciarte so far this year has convinced me that we can get 3 or 4 more wins from those two than I thought was the baseline at the start of the year. The second part is we are clearing 25M in salary to Colon and Garcia that we have gotten virtually no return on this year. Some of that will be used to pay for raises for other players. But we should be able to use the rest to buy about 2 wins (probably in the form of a third baseman or starting pitcher).

Yet to come is the contribution from younger core players (Swanson, Albies, Acuna, Soroka, Allard, Gohara) but a significant part of that should be occurring in 2019 and possibly at some point in 2018.
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They should have 35 million plus in salary coming off including Phillips, J. Johnson, and Dickey's hopefully declined option.
 
thethe said:
You guys are over thinking this for third base. At worst Camargo is a below average plus defensive third baseman at league min. That's who should play for the next two years
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That suits me. I don't think the Braves window opens until Kemp's contract is gone so I'd be perfectly fine continuing to deal with internal options until a solution presents itself. I don't see that solution in free agency. I'm somewhat dubious of acquiring another aging veteran on a not so great contract as any sort of solve.
 
Camargo has a mediocre .776 OPS due do a completely unsustainable .397 BABIP. He is not an everyday player at 3b for a team with the goal of being a fringe WC contender in 2018.

Pozzies need to stop thinking these players are more than they are just because they play for the Braves. Camargo is a utility player on a good team, or a starting SS on a bad team. That's what he is, and no amount of homerism changes that fact.

The Braves need to fix 3b this off season. It's time to get a 2+ win guy over there and stop with these silly experiments with below average players. The resources are there, and the need has clearly been present for years with no real solution currently in the organization.
 
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