Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

Russ2dollas said:
mlb trade rumor chat said probably two top 100 with neither guy being a headliner.

I think it's only 1.5 years of control so I don't see how he fits the window. But If I could get him for Touki, Riley, Mueller I'd do it and maybe deal him for more later or see if he'll do an extension. I don't think I'd give up Anderson for 1.5 years of Gray with his injury history.
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Believe he's controlled in 2018 and 2019.

I'd probably pass.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves would be better off playing out this season, signing a 2-3 WAR guy at 3B like Frazier, and rocking this lineup by the end of April:

Inciarte
Freeman
Frazier
Markakis
Kemp
Flowers
Swanson
Pitcher
Albies

Folty
Teheran
Newk
Dickey
Young Guy

and going for 80-85 wins. If they are in contention at the deadline, look to acquire a TOR like Archer or whoever will inevitably be available. Then push for a playoff slot.

They really need to end this foolish notion of accelerating the rebuild.
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depends on the price. If I can get Gray for two top 100 guys for 2.5 years control (thanks poster), then I have to think hard about that. What if I can get away with Gohara, Fried and D Peterson? Then 3B just costs money.

Your line up plus

Gray
Folty
Tehran
Newk
Dickey until super 2 or trade deadline.

Then you explore the market in the winter if Gray doesn't want to extend you can deal him or maybe you deal Tehran if Soroka and Allard are pounding on the door.

Next year you have
Gray-extended or traded for something
Folty
Newk-------If tehran goes for 2/3 of the Gray deal
Allard
Soroka

Sims is back up. Weigel is back. Wright is close or there.
 
Enscheff said:
I'd definitely prefer to wait on assuming the risk of a SP until they know FOR SURE they are contenders.

As far as the exact guy to target for 3B...I could be convinced of almost anyone if the price is right.
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I don't think they start next year with a rotation of Dickey, Folty, Teheran and two young guys (Newcomb, Sims, Wisler, etc). I think they will go with one young guy and one established starter. The question is whether you make the move now or in the off-season.
 
Enscheff said:
I'd definitely prefer to wait on assuming the risk of a SP until they know FOR SURE they are contenders.

As far as the exact guy to target for 3B...I could be convinced of almost anyone if the price is right.
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Frazier is the only guy that makes sense to me.
 
Russ2dollas said:
depends on the price. If I can get Gray for two top 100 guys for 2.5 years control (thanks poster), then I have to think hard about that. What if I can get away with Gohara, Fried and D Peterson? Then 3B just costs money.

Your line up plus

Gray
Folty
Tehran
Newk
Dickey until super 2 or trade deadline.

Then you explore the market in the winter if Gray doesn't want to extend you can deal him or maybe you deal Tehran if Soroka and Allard are pounding on the door.

Next year you have
Gray-extended or traded for something
Folty
Newk-------If tehran goes for 2/3 of the Gray deal
Allard
Soroka

Sims is back up. Weigel is back. Wright is close or there.
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I think the Braves probably have to acquire two pitchers to really get into contention, but maybe they can get away with one with bounce backs or break outs.

My preference would be to sell this year, play the one year deal game one more time in 2018, and then make my big decisions after 2018.

I think however the Braves are going to try and make the wild card in 2018. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I think they could probably make efforts to do that without doing much to the long term future if they are smart.
 
Southcack77 said:
I think the Braves probably have to acquire two pitchers to really get into contention, but maybe they can get away with one with bounce backs or break outs.

My preference would be to sell this year, play the one year deal game one more time in 2018, and then make my big decisions after 2018.

I think however the Braves are going to try and make the wild card in 2018. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I think they could probably make efforts to do that without doing much to the long term future if they are smart.
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Agreed, with a caveat...

If they find themselves above .500 and in the WC hunt 380 days from now, I would be in favor of them adding a significant piece in a deadline deal.
 
Southcack77 said:
I think the Braves probably have to acquire two pitchers to really get into contention, but maybe they can get away with one with bounce backs or break outs.

My preference would be to sell this year, play the one year deal game one more time in 2018, and then make my big decisions after 2018.

I think however the Braves are going to try and make the wild card in 2018. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I think they could probably make efforts to do that without doing much to the long term future if they are smart.
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I think they want to acquire some higher caliber assets than the guys they focused on last off-season (Colon, Garcia, Sean Rodriguez). No TOR type guys or high end free agents, but guys who project to be solid 2-3 win players. I do think they will go with one young guy in the rotation at the start of 2018. Right now I would guess it would be Newcomb, but that could change.
 
Southcack77 said:
I think the Braves probably have to acquire two pitchers to really get into contention, but maybe they can get away with one with bounce backs or break outs.

My preference would be to sell this year, play the one year deal game one more time in 2018, and then make my big decisions after 2018.

I think however the Braves are going to try and make the wild card in 2018. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I think they could probably make efforts to do that without doing much to the long term future if they are smart.
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I don't see why they would need 2 pitchers.

If Gray is healthy then you've got your TOR.
You'd expect Folty to keep improving. Newk should be pretty good for a 4 even if he's a two pitch guy. Tehran at 3 makes sense.

5 you'd have Allard/Soroka/Wright fighting for a spot. Plus you have Dickey. Plus you have the losers of Allard/Soroka/Wright and Sims for depth.

If you are a WAR guy I feel confident we get a pick up from Swanson being less suck. Albies over Phillips (less or equal offense and more WAR). 3B can't get much worse. Acuna will out WAR neck just on D.

C likely WARS way down.

Pen hopefully has a healthy season from one of Viz, Winkler and Minter. If they get 2/3 it would be a big upgrade.
 
zbhargrove said:
None of our assets were as valuable as Sale, IMO. But I think Jupton, Heyward, and Kimbrel were all better than Eaton or Quintana. The White Sox for sure got more high ceiling talent for Eaton and Q than we did for Jupton and Kimbrel. I don't see how that could be argued. Heyward turned into a high ceiling move when we traded Miller but honestly that was pretty lucky. I think we still have a better farm overall due to depth and we are finally getting top heavy. We actually got most of our talent through the draft and international market, not trades. But the shear speed the Sox have obtained their best prospects and current depth is quite staggering anyway you look at it. The only thing, IMO, they doesn't put them over is now is the regression of Giolito and Lopez.
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Both Eaton and Quintana have/had immensely more value than anyone we have traded, sans may be Simba. You have to consider control into the equation. If Eaton were a FA at the end of the year, there is literally no way he was bringing back Gioloto+. Same for Quintana.
 
nsacpi said:
Gray has seemed a better target for us to me than Quintana. I think we might be able to get him for Anderson. Or Wentz plus Touki. We'd be paying something close to the contender's premium in both cases.
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Gray and Solarte plus Albies and Acuna in place of BP and Mukaki at some point next year could make this team very interesting if the rookies have some success.
 
Carp said:
Both Eaton and Quintana have/had immensely more value than anyone we have traded, sans may be Simba. You have to consider control into the equation. If Eaton were a FA at the end of the year, there is literally no way he was bringing back Gioloto+. Same for Quintana.
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No way Eaton had more value than Heywood or Jupton
 
zbhargrove said:
No way Eaton had more value than Heywood or Jupton
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Yes he did/does. Immensely more value. Like not even close.

Ignoring the fact that Eaton is just as good of a player as Upton or Heyward was at the time of their respective trades, it's not just about how good of a player each individual player is. Eaton had 5 years of control at super cheap rates when he was traded. Heyward and Justin Upton both were traded with only 1 season left on their deals.
 
zbhargrove said:
No way Eaton had more value than Heywood or Jupton
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Eaton's contract:

2017 4m
2018 6m
2019 8.4m
2020 9.5 Option
2021 10.5 Option

Eaton was a 5.2 WAR in 2014 and 6.2 WAR in 2016. (3.9 in 2015)

By contrast:

Heyward 1 year/7.8m 6.2 WAR the preceding season -- signed for 8/184
Upton 1 year/14.5m 3.2 WAR the preceding season -- signed for 6/132.5

If you believe in WAR Eaton was a better player than Upton the year before he was acquired and was 9 million dollars cheaper with years of control remaining.

Heyward was a slightly better player by WAR (correction: actually they had equal value according to WAR), but more expensive and had already made it plain he was going to hold out for a ginormous contract.

Not hard to see why a team would give up more for Eaton.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I don't see why they would need 2 pitchers.

If Gray is healthy then you've got your TOR.
You'd expect Folty to keep improving. Newk should be pretty good for a 4 even if he's a two pitch guy. Tehran at 3 makes sense.

5 you'd have Allard/Soroka/Wright fighting for a spot. Plus you have Dickey. Plus you have the losers of Allard/Soroka/Wright and Sims for depth.

If you are a WAR guy I feel confident we get a pick up from Swanson being less suck. Albies over Phillips (less or equal offense and more WAR). 3B can't get much worse. Acuna will out WAR neck just on D.

C likely WARS way down.

Pen hopefully has a healthy season from one of Viz, Winkler and Minter. If they get 2/3 it would be a big upgrade.
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I think you need two guys on the team that can be counted on to pitch better than the best member of the rotation has pitched this season.

Acquiring two proven guys is the most certain way of doing that, but as I said you could also have some breakouts from young players (Folty, Newcomb) or a return to form by Teheran take care of some of that need.
 
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