Official 2017 Trade Deadilne Thread

Enscheff said:
A lot of folks are over rating Kahnle. They seem to weigh the 30 amazing innings this year more heavily than the 120 mediocre innings he posted before that.

BP arms are the most volatile asset in the game. I think the Sox did well to sell high on him.
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So a 29 year old can improve, but a 27 year old can't improve after leaving Colorado? Interesting logic.

What Enchorn doesn't understand is that Kahnle has always had talent, but the White Sox identified a flaw in his mechanics allowing him to throw more strikes as well as helping him with his change up that has been lights out since going over to the ChiSox.
 
gilesfan said:
Of course I understand what that gets on the FA market, which is why I made the point I did and you backed it up despite all the other drivel added. I guess comprehension is something you struggle with.
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I suppose I should practice writing like you so I can more easily understand it later...

Headley's is not the most not good contract, so the Braves should not consider not trading for him and not playing him at a position that is not 3B.

Clear enough?
 
gilesfan said:
So a 29 year old can improve, but a 27 year old can't improve after leaving Colorado? Interesting logic.

What Enchorn doesn't understand is that Kahnle has always had talent, but the White Sox identified a flaw in his mechanics allowing him to throw more strikes as well as helping him with his change up that has been lights out since going over to the ChiSox.
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Haha only you would try to connect Treinen to Kahnle.
 
PurpleBrave said:
Agree with what you said about our pieces not being elite, but the SP market is very weak right now. The Giants pitchers are expensive and/or are a mess. Padres have Clayton Richard. Tigers would ship Verlander at a price nobody will be wanting to pay. Sonny Gray. Who else? Not a whole lot out there. The Rangers don't know what they are doing. It's basically Gray and a bunch of below average pitchers.

If there was ever a time to trade Garcia or Dickey, it's now. Won't ever get a higher return for them.
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I just don't see the return for Garcia or Dickey being that great. They're mediocre rentals. They'd be an upgrade for the back end of most teams' rotations and save a bullpen some innings. But I don't see anyone paying a ton for that. I'd be surprised if any team offered anyone in their top 15 prospects for either guy, especially not yet.

So if the cost of waiting is perhaps losing out on someone's number 19 prospect, I'm okay with that. Maybe we can leverage something better with the deadline hanging over the heads of teams.

Right now we have guys that are plan B's for teams and teams haven't hit the point where they're willing to pay anything of value for a plan B.
 
Enscheff said:
I suppose I should practice writing like you so I can more easily understand it later...

Headley's is not the most not good contract, so the Braves should not consider not trading for him and not playing him at a position that is not 3B.

Clear enough?
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Sitting on an airplane and legit laughed loudly while reading this
 
The A's think Treinen has "some of the best stuff in the league" and that he could be a closer one day. They obviously have a higher valuation of him than most others do and think they see something about him they can fix, but the A's have always beat to the sound of a different drum.
 
gilesfan said:
I will accept your acknowledgement for being wrong. Or is Treinen the only 29 year old able to improve?

Is Treinen better than Kahnle as well?
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Haha, so dense...

I stated:

1. Treinen may end up being the best BP arm included in that trade
2. Kahnle is a volatile BP arm and is as likely to turn into a pumpkin as he is to stay dominant

You really don't understand how those comments are in no way contradictory?

How about this, you predict Kahnle's production over the next year, and we make a leave the board forever bet over it. Deal?
 
Enscheff said:
Haha, so dense...

I stated:

1. Treinen may end up being the best BP arm included in that trade
2. Kahnle is a volatile BP arm and is as likely to turn into a pumpkin as he is to stay dominant

You really don't understand how those comments are in no way contradictory?

How about this, you predict Kahnle's production over the next year, and we make a leave the board forever bet over it. Deal?
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I don't want you to leave the board, the few times I come back, you provide me legit entertainment and I have no issue leaving the board forever. You contradict yourself over and over while calling others stupid. It is fun to point out your fallacy. Especially when you didn't realize that Treinen was only 1 year younger than Doolittle or that they had the same amount of control.

P.S., why would anyone attempt to predict a relievers performance over ~50 innings? It's like predicting what a hitter will do for the next 3 weeks. Or in your terms, posting fielding stats with a weeks worth of data.
 
Enscheff said:
Haha, so dense...

I stated:

1. Treinen may end up being the best BP arm included in that trade

2. Kahnle is a volatile BP arm and is as likely to turn into a pumpkin as he is to stay dominant

You really don't understand how those comments are in no way contradictory?

How about this, you predict Kahnle's production over the next year, and we make a leave the board forever bet over it. Deal?
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Can we stop these leave the board forever bets? They sound like a good way to kill the site by having all of the posters leave forever after they lose.
 
gilesfan said:
I don't want you to leave the board, the few times I come back, you provide me legit entertainment and I have no issue leaving the board forever. You contradict yourself over and over while calling others stupid. It is fun to point out your fallacy. Especially when you didn't realize that Treinen was only 1 year younger than Doolittle or that they had the same amount of control.

P.S., why would anyone attempt to predict a relievers performance over ~50 innings? It's like predicting what a hitter will do for the next 3 weeks. Or in your terms, posting fielding stats with a weeks worth of data.
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I'm shocked you backpedaled away from the chance to stand behind something you stated.

Carry on, clown, carry on.
 
Enscheff said:
I'm shocked you backpedaled away from the chance to stand behind something you stated.

Carry on, clown, carry on.
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How about this. Your predict Treinen's stats over the next year and the loser kisses the others ass? Deal? Or should we bet $500,000? Or winner gets your playboy model wife?
 
Enscheff said:
All it will take is one person taking me up on it and winning...

You are think you're so smart...prove it.
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Why would I bet something when I'm not a gambler and obviously enjoy the site? It sounds more like you want to take a break with the amount of ban bets you've been offering lately.

Plus I enjoy your content. It's basically a lose-lose.
 
gilesfan said:
How about this. Your predict Treinen's stats over the next year and the loser kisses the others ass? Deal? Or should we bet $500,000? Or winner gets your playboy model wife?
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How about we bet about what I actually said. Treinen having more fWAR than Doolittle over some period of time.

Let's say by the end of 2018. Loser leaves the board?
 
Enscheff said:
How about we bet about what I actually said. Treinen having more fWAR than Doolittle over some period of time.

Let's say by the end of 2018. Loser leaves the board?
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fWAR, is that really how you judge relief pitchers?
 
gilesfan said:
fWAR, is that really how you judge relief pitchers?
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In this case yes, because Doolittle will likely be injured and won't pitch much.

Or how about one based around what I said about Khanle?

He is currently posting a 1.6 xFIP. His career mark is 3.6. Splitting the difference is 2.6, so that will be the over/under.

How about a bet where I say Kahnle is closer to 3.6, meaning 2.6+, and you say he is closer to 1.6, meaning under 1.6? What do you want the time frame to be? End of 2018 again?

Let me guess, more backpedaling from you...
 
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