The narrative now is the team has waited because it wanted to see how attendance and revenue would look coming out of covid. I can buy that. And now it looks like things are back to normal for the Braves at least so hopefully he gets signed soon.
Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread
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The narrative now is the team has waited because it wanted to see how attendance and revenue would look coming out of covid. I can buy that. And now it looks like things are back to normal for the Braves at least so hopefully he gets signed soon.
I think if we are picking up his option for 2020 then that would have to be the move. Let him play average CF defense and hit bombs at the bottom of the order.
Tapate50
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I got zero problem with that
ixiXSolidXixi
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I think a positive thing about trading for Olsen is we don’t need to sign Soler. Then we can use the money for Rosario or Marte.
50PoundHead
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Depends on price. I think he showed that he can at least play CF without making a fool of himself and that adds value. I'm not a big Duvall fan, but I'll admit he has some value depending on how he is surrounded in the line-up. He's just not a core player for any team. The question is going to be how the folks on Duvall's side of the equation view him as opposed to how the rest of baseball views him. Nothing really new there as that's pretty much the same for every player except that Duvall has to decide on whether or not to exercise his side of the mutual option. I guess the Braves pick up their end, because $7 million isn't unreasonable for him. I don't know what happens if Duvall pushes arbitration. His side could really push for a deal beyond 2022 to avoid arbitration and I don't know if the Braves would go for that but instead just take what the arbitrator decides.
If this is the route we go, it would be nice to have a left-handed CF option as well who can play against deGrom, Wheeler, and other tough righties. That would also mean getting rid of Heredia, and who knows what the front office thinks about that.
But watching Duvall be mostly useless against righties this postseason wasn't a lot of fun.
As I understand it, if Duval accepts his side, he gets $7M. If he declines his option, he gets $3M + whatever he can get in arbitration or FA, so MLBTR estimates $9M. Would you pick $7M or $12M. There is no way he accepts his option, so it is if the Braves tender him or not.
30 year old bat-only guy with a QO attached.
He is the current leader for most likely to settle for a 1 year deal after asking for too much.
ixiXSolidXixi
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But he is a Boras client.
I'm not sure how Olson solves any of the questions in the OF. He would be a way to use prospect capital at 1B to allow AA to use cash capital in the OF. That cash could still be used on Soler...or Bryant, or Marte, or Canha, or Rosario, or whoever.
Yeah, and they are the guys who end up sitting out because they asked for too much.
50PoundHead
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You're right. Duvall gets $3 MM even if he declines his end of the mutual option. Miami didn't send any money along with him, so the Braves are on the hook for that. That was the odd part of his contract with the Marlins. Very rarely does the player who doesn't exercise his option get that big a payday (at least as a percentage of the total contract value), especially someone of Duvall's caliber. I agree that the question for the Braves is whether to risk what the arbitrator may award to Duvall in arbitration. Duvall has his warts, but his side would likely beef up his counting stats and ability to play CF in their submission to the arbitrator and who knows what happens then. What would the Braves offer to make it all go away or would they simply go to arbitration (or let him walk)? I don't know the price point that solves the issue or the risk of arbitration.
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I hate to say it but that route makes a lot more sense instead of putting a lot of money into a 32 year old who may start his decline at any moment.
Southcack77
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I think it's odd to have a buyout for a player declined option, but if you know that for sure I'll take your word for it.
The Marlins got him for either 1/5m or 2/9m.
It's a little hard to believe he will do much better than that. He was what he was and nobody really wanted him. I do not think the end of season really would help much.
Figuring out the market for his making more is sorta tough.
If he's actually going to make 9m in Arb he'll be non-tendered.
DirkPiggler
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Southcack77
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We've had plenty of speculation over the star on great contract (or remaining control) and how that just makes everything awesome on the payroll side.
We've yet to see that deal happen or a single prospect with value to get traded.
Quite a few of those value plays didn't quite turn out. Mr testacle in Seattle, whit Merrifield, the odd pitcher or two...maybe more. All sort of ended up not being quite as cool as you'd have thought.
Oh Chapman. That was last year's version. I always love these guys cause math but the real things don't tend to get moved.
So Olson...looks great on paper not sure it's realistic for the Braves style. Ditto maybe Bryan Reynolds. Another 2022 example.